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Right and in my case and Joey Goldstein and at least a half dozen other jazz musicians, the jam origin midi guitar software outperformed the axon and the GK3 by far utilizing the GR-33, GR-55 and axon synths. The pitch to midi occurs in those processors, not the pickup.
I too thought jam origin had less performance than the GK-3 until I got my asio buffers setup correctly. I do have a pretty fast machine. i7, 3820, 32gb memory 64 bit windows 8.1 so if you have a slow machine, inefficient usb drivers, etc., you'll get less performance. You can't emphatically state that midi-guitar is slower because the machine you are running it on and the efficiency of the drivers and the operating system makes a huge difference. So, any performance numbers of jam origin's product is meaningless without factoring in the machine, operating system, drivers etc.
It'd be like saying ford is faster than chevy. Totally unquantifiable.
I can tell you that a bunch of folks I know experienced much better performance than axon and GK-3 performance though the bugs in the pitch recognition of chords is a deal breaker personally.
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01-30-2016 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Vladan
Your numbers include latency from the VST synth, the comparison isn't affected but absolute latency is overstated. Are you using one of the included synths or something with lower latency?
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Most useful understanding of latency I heard is; the speed of sound in air is about 1 foot per millisecond so 10ms latency is like standing 10ft away from your amp. Bearable for me, 20, not so much.
Suppose most of you knew this.
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Originally Posted by MaxTwang
For the second part, the answer is also yes. I thought it is fair to use what developper provided with own free demo.
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Originally Posted by MaxTwang
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This clip gets a little closer to the signature sound. (patzag axefx forum)Last edited by Eric Rowland; 01-30-2016 at 02:37 PM.
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...just to add what was stated by Jack, the JO software is probably targeted for people who don't play #4's #11's b13's etc etc.
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Originally Posted by princeplanet
You might be able to improve your tracking with the built in input. Try adjusting your input level: Open OSX's System Preferences then Sound and adjust Input Volume up/down for the Line In port while playing MIDI Guitar. You should get a nice strong Waveform in MIDI Guitar like this:
Adjust the Noise Gate in MIDI Guitar and select "Monophonic" if you don't need polyphonic.
I'm using BIAB 2015 for Mac, hopefully this helps:
In BIAB you have to set the MIDI In to 'MIDI Guitar out'. MIDI Guitar has to be running before you start BIAB or BIAB won't see the MIDI Guitar Out driver. Click the MIDI button at the top of the screen then "Select MIDI sound/driver [Built-in or Core MIDI]", select "MacOS X CoreMIDI" from the following screen
Click OK and you should see the following screen. If you don't see this screen click MIDI then "Choose Core MIDI Drivers [Advanced Only]".
On this screen select "MIDI Guitar Out" for Midi In. The instrument ports can be set to whatever you currently use.
Click "Record MIDI" and start recording. Click Stop when your done.Last edited by MaxTwang; 01-30-2016 at 03:06 PM.
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Originally Posted by Eric Rowland
The entire guitar synth & processor industry has been collectively saying "Damn you Pat Metheny for recording that song and giving us 30 years of people demanding the ability to get that sound without a GR-300 & G-303/808".
That is pretty close to a GR-300. Even with a real GR-300 you need reverb and delay to fatten it up and make it usable.Last edited by MaxTwang; 01-30-2016 at 03:18 PM.
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From a technical point of view JAM Origin has done an outstanding job with MIDI Guitar - other guitar to midi devices use a hex pickup which is actually 6 pickups, one for each string (part of the reason for the 13-pin cable). Your Roland device processes each string separately so it is 6 monophonic pitch to midi converters in a single device. MIDI Guitar is pretty amazing as it is a real time polyphonic pitch to midi converter, and even if the latency doesn't quite measure up to some of the others I find the 'feel' of MIDI Guitar to be more natural than the Roland & Axon pitch to midi systems I've tried when used with a low latency soft synth (the GR-300 and SY-300 are not pitch to midi and are also great feeling).
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I/ve used all Rolands synths,Sonus etc...time for JAM Origin.
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Installed the app on an iPad pro. The latency is too much for quick picking. The tracking is... Must be me but it seems to only have two note polyphony. Arpeggios are fine but finger style chords are missing notes. Time to practice and adjust my playing style.
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Originally Posted by MaxTwang
Finally, as I'm using the in built mini jack audio input on my laptop (on the end of a well shielded regular guitar cable), is there any improvement to be had (as the manual suggests) by using an audio interface? I don't understand why it would. The signal, as is , is clean and strong, especially after boosting from the preferences window as you suggested.
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princeplanet, glad you got it working. I haven't used every beta version but I would say the tracking is pretty similar.
An audio interface would probably reduce latency, but how much is hard to say - Apple's audio input is much better than what we used to see on PCs running earlier version of Windows (which has also improved). If your midi notes are consistently behind where you play them then an audio interface might help, if you're fine with the performance you're getting - then use what you have.
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I know it is not a guitar, but... YouRock Guitar in Tap mode. Feels like a keyboard, 100% accurate and fast tracking. Cheap on the used market. I have(had) most 13 pins Roland GS. GR1 had good tracking on some presets. GR20 too. I keep having glitches with the GR55. Shame Roland does not produce the GI20 anymore. I tried the software a few years ago, should give it another try.
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Have been a guitar MIDIot for close to 30 years. MIDI Guitar is not as fast as the Roland GK system, but it is amazingly fast for what it is. MIDI Bass is also surprisingly useful, what with the pitch-to-MIDI challenge with lower frequencies, and it's currently free with MIDI Guitar. When I think of the many thousands of dollars I've put into guitar MIDIocy, the $100 I gave for MIDI Guitar/Bass is a very small investment, and a lot of fun.
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Although I am using a Godin LGX-SA guitar through a Roland GR-20 (perhaps five years old now or so), my problems involved latency of response in the hardware, especially in terms of the bass strings. The other issue is I have tried to use the LGX for note input in real time with an old legacy version of Sibelius G7 with relatively poor results.
So I am thinking strongly about selling both the LGX and the Roland GR-20 towards a trade in or buy of a new archtop electric guitar. I think I'm losing interest in the whole technology area here for now.
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After a couple of hours of practice I'm much happier with Midi Guitar 2 on iOS.
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One thing I discovered using Tripleplay (and guitar rig) on my computer is that latency is noticeably decreased when I turn off the wireless and any internet connections. You might try that along with maximizing buffers and rates.
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Originally Posted by WilliamScott
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what is the best computer for fast tracking midi guitar?
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The one that comes out a month after you buy your computer
Most current computers are sufficient to handle Jam Origin's Midi Guitar. Running a lot of soft synths is where there could be issues; but, running 1, 2 or a few soft synths is also within the capabilities of most computers.
More important is your audio interface these days.
Best course of action is to download the free trial of Midi Guitar and see how it works with your system and audio interface. If you can monitor CPU and temperature on your computer then you can see if your computer is the limiting factor, if there's unacceptable latency or crackling (without high CPU or temps) then the audio interface is likely the limiting factor.Last edited by MaxTwang; 11-08-2016 at 01:09 PM.
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Incidentally, it was Jan 2016 when I submitted the support request for the following issue:
- Glitchy on certain chords containing #4. it gets a bit confused and renders bad notes. For example, if you play a C half diminished voiced with C Bb Eb Gb, it will render a B natural as the bass note!
It took weeks for them to get back to me and they said it would be a while before it was fixed and they would get back to me.
Now it's Nov 2016 and I still haven't heard back. In the meantime, a buddy of mine bough the Fishman tripleplay and is totally gassed with how great the tracking is.
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Hi. I'm using Jam Origin's MIDI Guitar 2 and it's pretty amazing. So much so that I'm wondering whether Triple Play really offers anything better - your thoughts would be appreciated.
I'm not fussed about wireless and I won't be splitting my fretboard into zones in a hurry. The only thing which springs to mind is that the hex pickup would at least allow me to easily dedicate a couple of strings to play an octave lower.
Even with a fairly modest processor & soundcard I seem to be able to get latency down to 1.5ms (as reported by MIDI Guitar, Reaper says audio latency is 3.9ms) reasonably easily and pitch bend tracking seems great too.
thanks,
MarkLast edited by jazzaxe; 11-01-2017 at 05:39 PM.
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I have both and find myself only using Midi Guitar. As far as tracking is concerned, they both work very well, but Midi Guitar works with any guitar I want to plug into the system. I almost always blend in some sound from the guitar itself so the wireless aspect of Triple Play means very little since it is only wireless for the midi aspect.
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