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My posts; #116, #119 and #125 of this thread are likely the impetus of what you are referring to as a "nonsensical tirade". I have tried to be respectful throughout my posts, but seeing an image of a guitar with another maker's name on it posted and no one commenting frankly surprised me. I had seen highly derivative work in these threads but never a direct copy including a headstock logo. Because these threads exist in perpetuity, I felt that a voice saying that this "was not right" might help discourage others from doing the same in the future. If that is now deemed "nonsensical" and a "triade", or as others have said "judgmental"so be it.
I am sorry to hear that you have decided to part ways with the forum as a result. For what it is worth, I have reached a similar state of mind at a number of points over the last 6-years so I understand your frustration. Lastly, good luck with your move to the Windy City.
Originally Posted by BigMikeinNJ
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02-01-2016 07:13 AM
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Well, at least some good has come from this thread, now that Mr. Wu and Ms. Lora are aware that the mark 'M Campellone' and the 'Special' graphic are the property of Mr. Campellone, and putting them on guitars not made by his hands or license is not considered either honorable or legal in the West. And how fortunate that such appliques are not etched into the (admittedly fine) woodwork, but can be easily removed by the craftsman before any further damage is done.
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Originally Posted by yolandateam
Further, it suggests that Mr. Wu now knows this was wrong. It seems that those who realized this before but did not tell Mr. Wu, and shouted down those pointing it out, were not acting in the best interests of Mr. Wu.Last edited by MarkRhodes; 02-01-2016 at 11:11 AM. Reason: Gloss
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With all due respect, I'm not buying it.
Someone who is in the business of making guitars doesn't know who Mark Campellone is? Understanding Copyright laws should be imperative if you are a guitar builder. It doesn't take much to go online and verify a logo before you unlawfully put it on a guitar you are building. Sorry that was weak.
JD
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Originally Posted by BigMikeinNJ
We need you here. Once you are done with your move and you get settled in, reconsider your position and stay on with group. This is not a good enough reason for you to leave us.
Joe D.
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Is there a fake shown anywhere here? There is a reference to a guitar, and Lora makes a reference above. But is there a picture anywhere?
It appears to be a vague 'someone' but every M Campellone guitar I can see in this thread is clearly labelled an "inspiration" by BigMike, unless it is posted by Hammertone - and while he has two, one is BigMike's "inspiration" and the other is one he posted as a comparison.Last edited by travisty; 02-01-2016 at 12:46 PM.
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It's the comparison photo, the one with the overly colorful abalone.
For the record, that is NOT big mike's guitar, nor did he commission a counterfeit.
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Originally Posted by MarkRhodes
Let's hope some of you are never selected for jury duty.
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Thanks mr. beaumont,
I had read through this thread three times and somehow missed that until the third time when I was searching every page for the word "Campellone". The big bold letters are easier on BigMike's eyes but they are awfully tough on mine. I read the early part whereby a friend showed him "a Mark Campellone Special" and had not noticed that one post where it becomes a copy. Oh dear. That IS unfortunate.
Personally I think BigMike copying the inlays or the "Special" logo is OK. I think his acquaintance copying the inlay name/trademark at the top was unfortunate.
As to trademark usage, selling the copied trademark guitar would/should be a complete no-no.
But I am curious what the law is on paying someone to put the logo on something for your personal use if you never sell it or derive profit from it. Non-profit fandom is everywhere and people don't make a fuss about it as long as people are not selling it.
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Perhaps we should ask the craftsman himself how he feels about it. His email address can be found on his wepage.
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Originally Posted by travisty
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Originally Posted by BigMikeinNJ
If too many core members leave we'll have to rename this place "The Gear Page". Jazz is having a hard enough time as it is, stick around if for no other reason than to keep jazz alive.
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Originally Posted by 2bornot2bop
JD
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Originally Posted by aboutIt
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Originally Posted by Joe DeNisco
Ever visit a backwater town in a 3rd world country? Where if there's hot water, much less Internet service, its limited to only certain hours of the day.
What's "weak " to me is to project standards commonly known and taken for granted in the US, or Europe, onto locales whose standards are anything but your norm.
Last I checked, this is an international forum.
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The unfortunate reality of this forum is it can be at times like swimming with sharks and God help you if you have a cut finger that is bleeding. It can turn very quickly from advise to a personal attack which either leaves a member very mad and upset or with very hurt feelings. It is not what one posts but how it is posted which can be brutal at times. I know that I personally have been attacked on occasion and it doesn't feel good.
We all have very strong opinions but sometimes we forget that we are all playing on the same team.
BigMike is a great guy and always was very kind with his posts. Shame on us that he quit the forum. I know on occasion I was ready to cut the rope too.
BigMike if you read this SORRY BRO! you are a very nice man and I respect you very much.....Vinny
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02-01-2016, 02:36 PM #167dortmundjazzguitar GuestOriginally Posted by yolandateam
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Montreal bagel, toasted, with some Brie, apricot jam and a couple of thin slices of prosciutto.
It was very tasty.
The whole "wealthy individual" and "money was no object" thing intrigues me. I guess if I was a wealthy individual for whom money was no object and I wanted a guitar that had Campellone's name on the headstock, I'd order one from Mark Campellone. And if Mark chose not to build it with flamed maple binding then, given my vast resources, I'd get it rebound in flamed maple after taking delivery of it.
Maybe that's just crazy, but it might just get me through the day.
Along with another sandwich, of course.Last edited by Hammertone; 02-01-2016 at 03:46 PM.
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Originally Posted by vinnyv1k
I too have experienced being the bait in these here shark infested waters.
And under attack from false allegations, assumption, and innuendo, all I had to say was "prove it."
But of course telling them to 'prove it' didn't occur to me until days later, after the thread was closed.
Folks are so quick to go into attack mode, without seeking out facts. Facts? Who cares about facts, time to pile on, who cares it's only another's reputation.
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Originally Posted by dortmundjazzguitar
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Originally Posted by dortmundjazzguitar
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I used Photoshop to prepare the image of the two guitar headstocks in post#124.
Didn't really change much - rotated one, adjusted the sizes so they appear similar in size, cropped them.
Does that count? :^)
And I once used Photoshop to put Jennifer Lawrence's head on … well, nevermind.
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Originally Posted by Joe DeNisco
Fully agree !
Mike MUST stay with us.
No way he'd be leaving for a misunderstanding
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Originally Posted by 2bornot2bop
Are you trying to say that Mr Wu doesn't have the internet? Then how do they get their orders?
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Originally Posted by Joe DeNisco
We're talking about China, not the United States of America.
Have you ever been to China ?
Are you sure internet is available to everyone there ?
I see a difference in "being in the business of making guitars" (western way of it) and "making guitars".
To me, the one who is to blame is not the maker (making one guitar for a single order) but the one who ordered the guitar at first.
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