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i thought the bruno was a lam top?
Originally Posted by PTChristopher2
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01-05-2014 05:42 PM
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I have tried them both and may have missed a detail, but remember them both as laminated maple tops.
(Go Packers, gotta put gloves on just to watch the 5 deg. F game.)
EDIT: The Bruno was much deeper, but I found any difference, attributable to this, to be minor when amped.Last edited by PTChristopher2; 01-05-2014 at 05:49 PM.
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Incredible playing here Jack and great tone. I totally can relate to the issue if sympathetic vibrations. I've had that issue on a few guitars and it's enough to drive someone mad. Originally Posted by yebdox
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agreed, having said that, tom really had something. I'm not sure he's still making guitars though.
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Well I guess that's my problem. See, I think the first clip sounds like a 175. Anyways Jack, you have a lot more experience than me so you'd know better especially since you've owned both. Anyways, besides whether or not they sound like a 175 or not, I really dig the tone of both the JB and the JHs. Originally Posted by jzucker
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Sorry for the not on topic post but I too love this video Jack... I watched this and the BarbQ / Henriksen ones quite a few times. Oh and you're using an alnico speaker for jazz here Originally Posted by yebdox
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That's what I like about this forum… so much friendlier and supportive than TGP. Jack's a talented guy with opinions based on experience. I may not always agree with him, but I always take his opinion seriously.
Stay away from TGP, Jack, you're much better appreciated here!
Jorge, too, for that matter. Serious players who have put the time into forming an opinion.
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i agree that TGP is a waste of time but there's a lot of misinformation propagated here as well. For example, students advising other students on what to do to be great. Things like studying BIAB's auto generated solos or their master guitar series. And like TGP, you have student level players arguing with folks who have been out there playing jazz for 30 years.
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I agree, but at least it's a friendlier atmosphere. Misinformation and ego manifest everywhere in the world. Wouldn't be much of a forum if everyone agreed or played at the same level, I suppose.
One of the hardest tasks in life is to judge your own competency. A study was performed on just that a few years back, with the study population asked to rate their own competency on several problem solving tests. The higher the competency, the lower the confidence level ("I think I could have done better") while just the opposite was true for the poorest performers ("I really nailed that!") I had to laugh when I read it.
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I rather find that most who are "great" at anything are very able to learn from challenges from a relative beginner, or "beginner mind" as they say.
A TGP dumb-a-thon is one thing, but a good discussion from a variety of viewpoints and experience is a fine thing here.
I hope that smirking smug self-described greatness, expertise, or simple longevity does not trump open discussion and new views.
So to speak.
Chris
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>>> The higher the competency, the lower the confidence level ("I think I could have done better")
Absolutely. Many thanks for this.
Chris
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i don't think it's any different frankly. The only reason it seems different is that the total number of members is a fraction of what TGP's is. When TGP was smaller it was much less of a problem but after harmony-central folded a while back, TGP absorbed many of the hardcore members from HC and now it's a total zoo.
The common theme among all the message board and usenet forums is that guys who barely play will argue and disagree with veteran players regarding how to best learn the instrument. This just boggles the mind but it's true of all the forums whether they are golf, photography or music. It's just human nature. People establish themselves as a the forum sage and use their position unwisely. I think this is some sort of innate, tribal behavior.
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Hopefully notI hope that smirking smug self-described greatness, expertise, or simple longevity does not trump open discussion and new views. I appreciate the times I've witnessed more mature and empathetic voices on this forum steer the discussion back in a positive direction. Politely agreeing to disagree is always a good thing. Slamming, name calling, self aggrandizement don't further one's cause, AND that lesson will still be missed by some. We can always recite the number of great artists who have (or had) practically no ego and were open to talking about their craft with any who would listen or ask.
Overall, I think we do pretty well here. On TGP, I would rarely post any opinion, particularly one that questioned a favored player/technique/piece of gear, for fear of retribution. Jack certainly had his time as a target (though he's never afraid to state the obvious, which might have provoked a few flame wars
Oh, well, carry on and thanks for the civility, all.
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I've quit posting on TGP. It got to be tedious with all the bickering. Much more civil here with a more mature, knowledgeable group. Some subjects are just subjective (this guitar is better than that one) but can still be discussed in a civil manner.
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who was that "smug, self described greatness" comment aimed toward? haha, you see. This ain't much different than TGP afterall. Just a lower volume of subscribers. that's exactly the type of snide comment you see on TGP all the time...
And one of the reasons I stayed off all forums for a couple years.
It's just human nature. (unfortunately)
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Jack, you might be right about that and the current size probably is to our advantage. But, it's nice to hallucinate that maybe folks interested in jazz are just a tad more self aware and polite. Someone will always prove me wrong, but for now, this is a good place to be. If it ever gets half as bad as TGP, I will find other ways to connect and share with players.i don't think it's any different frankly.
Maybe it's also human nature to want to belong to a group that is perceived as a bit more noble than everyone else: service industries, firemen and health care workers, teachers, animal shelter volunteers, Peace Corps, etc. That desire has nothing to do with my love of jazz, but it is an hallucination that functions as a minor benefit, in my off moments.
Jack, if TAG shows up, just turn the other cheek!
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tag was on here for a while, lol. But we've chased off many of the good players because we value conforming over all else. For example, Henry Johnson and Richard Bornman no longer post on any of the groups because they were banned or ostracized. Regardless of whether they were victims of self-described greatness (WTF IS THAT ANYWAY?!?) they were great players who - because of their jazz experiences - were very opinionated about how to learn to play jazz. But they were pushed out because the herd valued conformance over experience and playing ability.
The way I feel is that groups like this should go out of their way to cultivate great players instead of ostracizing them. But instead, it's too easy for mediocre players to herd together and complain about them so that they're forced to leave.
I'm bitter about this because I've seen it happen to a half dozen great players in the various groups and it's happened to me too. Guys struggling to play over Satin Doll and posting about learning to solo by studying BIAB transcriptions aren't espousing "fresh" approaches to learning to play that instrument. And when I read stuff like that I will call it out until i get tired of the negative and smirky comments in which case I'll leave again.
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Maybe this off topic is my fault but anyway... if one comes here it's for learning things one doesn't know. This is a gear forum and there are plenty of people here that might not be excellent players but have great input when it comes to gear - I have benefited many times from all that knowledge I would have not be able to get it any other way. If I felt I had nothing to learn then I would just stay out - as I do on the non-gear part.
Sometimes one does reads things that can be a little disturbing... just like in real life it's a sign of maturity knowing when not to entertain pointless arguments. Arrogance and stupidity like to hold hands - I have learned to ignore that.
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>>> who was that "smug, self described greatness" comment aimed toward?
Definitely aimed toward any stand based on the classic logical fallacy of appeal to authority, experience, greatness, or any other dubious superiority.
One would always do well to avoid any such fallacy in discussion. We all accidentally (and we hope not, habitually) will occasionally step in the line of what I described above.
On another fallacy, Bertrand Russell on "human nature" is worth a fun and quick read. In my opinion.
It is quite fundamentally different here in my experience. I happen to not agree that it is simply a matter of scale.
I have had far to many experiences of a relatively new player picking up on something that those who find themselves to be experts have missed.
Chris
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we'll have to agree to disagree. The point of studying with someone experienced is that they've made the transition from beginner to advanced . Studying with a student who can't play satin doll is studying someone's mistakes. Studying with someone who's advanced allows you to learn in the most efficient way possible. Originally Posted by PTChristopher2
I think that's pretty much common sense but I think in all these chat-forums, the herd mentality overrides all common sense.
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Great quote, Jorge!Arrogance and stupidity like to hold hands
Jack, I appreciate your point of view. Maybe the medium is the limitation. With anonymity and in an exchange of ideas devoid of the actual application (i.e., playing, with the exception of posting clips, as you so ably have) people may falsely assume an equality of experience and ability to someone else who has really applied themselves.
There probably is no perfect solution. I appreciate that you call people out when you feel they are not contributing to purpose of the forum (ostensibly, to share knowledge about gear and ways to improve on one's playing and appreciation of this art form.) And, I appreciate Jorge's wisdom, as well, to know when to leave a discussion and topic alone, when it's going nowhere, and the controversial voice is not responding to reason.
Sorry to hear that about those pros… I'm not familiar with Richard Bornman, but had a couple of lessons with Henry… great player, happy to share lots of good info and ideas, can't imagine why he would be banned. Just no easy solutions to managing human ego, but clearly, not many feel appreciated in life and that comes out in a bad way, sometimes. Still, this forum has value and I thank those who thoughtfully contribute.
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Couldn't agree more. One of the good things here has been that clearly experienced members/ competent players say what they think without expecting some kind of deference from others to give their opinions extra weight or 'oracle' status. This isn't a masterclass, it's a gear forum. Originally Posted by PTChristopher2
let's hope it stays like thatLast edited by Franz 1997; 01-06-2014 at 07:52 AM. Reason: clarity
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On the Sadwosky Jim Hall - I bought mine when the dollar was low to € & £, the price was similar to 1970s 175s - but I could not find one that didn't look like it had been driven over by a truck. The new ones (175s) I tried felt clunky and had a really lifeless tone - so I went with the JH. I love it.
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Originally Posted by yebdox
My understanding is that Gibson built these "Wes Pauls" for the 1998 NAMM Show. Originally Posted by jzucker
One has been for sale for quite awhile at a "Les-than-discounted-Paul" price.
Here:
http://www.maverick-music.com/gibson...ustom-les-paulLast edited by Hammertone; 01-19-2014 at 01:23 PM.
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A very notable pro who was turned off this forum was Tony DeCaprio, which was a huge loss. One of the best players on the planet and a great educator to boot, but some vocal forumites chewed him up, backed up by their years of living room playing experience...
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