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I'd suggest perhaps working with a metronome or backing track, it's hard to hear distinct starts and ends of phrases. That's partly the nature of that particular track - Anthropology pauses in unusual places, and has very barline-defiant cadences - but as the guy above suggests, try slowing things down. It's hard to hear the rhythm, the pulse there. It's hard to tell if you're speeding up and eliding notes ... you might well not be, you might be hitting every note perfectly, but the fact that, as a listener, I can't actually tell means that there is probably something to practice and think about there.
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07-08-2020 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Jimmy blue note
1) I cant see a distinctive style, looks more like early bebop, from parker era to me.
or you maybe say that cause i use classical guitar and no backing track? which is not very common
2)I said that i think its early bebop style but let me ask you if this is correct?... i remember some years ago i posted a video and people said it was smooth jazz or swing and not bebop?
3) I dont understand what you mean by
"you have a bold attitude of meeting each beat with notes that fill up the space nicely"
you mean that I make phrases over more than 1 bar?
4) And why is this also a weak point you said "because it can easily detract from the distinct shape and character of your individual phrasing,"
sorry i dont understand your explanation, sounds too technical for me
5) You've got chops but they don't necessarily sound personal at this point
Whats a chop? I read a chop is a speedy phrase? Do u mean this?
Thanks in advanced for your advice
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Originally Posted by fingernylon
Now bebop is a pretty well studied and codified set of techniques. When you listen to it, really listen to understand what the player's intention is, one realizes that it's made up of a relationship of embellishments, ornamentations, rhythmic displacements and melodic figures that form a creative relationship with the original theme. To respectfully play bebop, I'd say it's ideally important to know the original melody, know the figures you'd like to embellish it with and use them for a reason. That's the bebop style.
Your style is your own and it's unique, but I wouldn't call it bebop. It has figures that sound like the bebop influenced piece but it's not in any order or reason that I know or can hear. So I like it because it's very much you, but if you're trying to play bebop, then it's a start, but you've got a ways to go.
It's like an actor in a movie that tries to deliver a line in their idea of a Russian accent but it's not Russian at all. It sounds kinda, but it's not speaking. It's an impression.
Originally Posted by fingernylon
Your playing has some elements of bebop but to better understand the music on a deeper level, learn to play a melody clearly, in time, with swing and learn to embellish it first simply, then with more elements so you don't get tripped up. Take your time and take it seriously.
I'll continue more answers in a subsequent post. I'm not sure how much text is allowed here.
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Originally Posted by fingernylon
It's based on a Charlie Parker tune, but that tune is buried within the playing of the solo and it's not respectfully treated. There are measures missing, there are places where the phrases you play don't lead to either the next phrase or back to the original melody.
These are things that you can study and they will really make your solo and playing breathe, have a sense of purpose and really PLAY WITH the Parker melody.
Slow down when you practice and make it a purpose in practice to understand not just the sounds, but the purpose for the notes you play. Slow down. You are a composer in real time. You're not just a player moving fingers across a fingerboard. Focus your ideas and learn to compose. Take a piece, slow it down to half speed or less and learn it note for note, to play the head accurately. You can learn a lot from a Charlie Parker tune even before you try to solo. You can learn rhythm, embellishment, patience, space, time, harmony, melody, and so much more. If you can play KOKO as a ballad, you'll have earned the right to solo on it. If you learn Cherokee as a ballad then learn Koko after that, you'll learn more than you'll ever by playing impressions of a solo too fast to think.
Bebop is itself a great teacher if you want to learn.
Originally Posted by fingernylon
But playing notes should have a good reason too. Phrases breathe, and each one is a little thought in itself. A phrase has a beginning: you can start strong, or quiet, on the beat or before, or after the first beat, it can be a long note or a short note, or several.
A phrase has a middle section: It ascends, it can descend, it can change direction, it can create rhythmic motif, it can reference material played before or even another melody from another piece...
A phrase has an ending: It can end short, it can use long notes, it can have a twist that opens up ideas for a change in the next phrase, it can be a pickup into the new section or it can ask a question with space...
I'm saying that if you play a lot of notes, it's good exercise, but to play music with content, you'll need to study things like compositional techniques or ordering the elements or shaping forces of music. You've got a good start here. But to make it really musical, you'll need to learn to hear and appreciate musical content in phrases and learn to present that content in a compositional way. That's good jazz.
Check out Lee Konitz's article on the steps to improvisation.
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Originally Posted by fingernylon
The purpose of playing jazz is not to play lots of notes, it's to say something. It might be a commentary on another piece, that's playing a solo on a specific piece, or it might be a piece you make up, that's free improvisation. Either way, you play yourself and it's more than a lot of fancy wiggles in your hands.
I love it that you want to learn about this music, to learn to play it. Know that it should be a respectful process, you must learn the order, language and accepted forms of jazz improvisation before you take liberties in removing essential elements. It's more than chops, it composing in real time.
I hope this is helpful, or at least gives you ideas to think about, and opens up the possibility of giving you excitement about a new dimension of the music you may not have considered.
Best of luck
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yes thanks a lot for your reply. U are right in many things. im already trying to do all slower and i see i even enjoy more the ideas, and its easier to organize phrasin and adding variety. i will post more in some time after i practice slower.
however listening to the recording i dont see that sounds bad, i mean it makes sense in my opinion, i like it, i think it has energy and vibrant tempo and rhythm
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btw when i listen to gillespie on anthropology on many other tunes i think he is just playing fast and that his phrases specially compared to parker has no content or at least dont tell me nothing... do u have the same perception? like he jus twant to play fast?
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Remember that EVERYTHING Diz played back then, he owned. He INVENTED the bebop approach. Listen to Roy Eldrich, and then listen to Gillespie. Dizzy was there breaking ground, inventing and exploring the language that would become bebop, and he did it when he was the only standard to be held to; well he and Parker.
To really understand the language, the developing language, the evolutionary language of bop, listen to the Dial recordings, the Savoy recordings and the recordings of Parker live (with Symphony Sid). Then learn to hear it not as a listener, but know it well enough to hear it as a player. Be aware of the many options and when you understand the ways a simple phrase can be ornamented and the role that rhythm plays in making a phrase breathe, it won't sound so random.
Also listen to Diz along his career, how his own playing playing changed and matured. I saw Dizzy playing with Joe Pass and Oscar Peterson, this was when they were a bit older than the kids they were when they were driven by the spirit of youth and discovery. Great playing, but tempered by having lived with this exciting music as they grew older.
When you listen to music, especially when you use it for inspiration, take into account that the music has historical and personal context for the player. Early Diz is different from late Diz. And they played live music, always. They had better days in the studio, they had not so good days. Listen to as much of it as you can so you can be discerning in your assessment, and strive not to imitate out of adoration, but to thoughtfully innovate out of love and respect. Yes listening is an art too, and listening to your own self is one of the hardest parts of that.
You're doing good things. Be aware and it'll just get better.
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