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Originally Posted by Tal_175
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03-28-2019 03:38 AM
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All I know is that I'd rather hear a garbage collector say something interesting than hear an English professor say something boring. As Louie Armstrong said, there's only two kinds of music... music that sounds good and music that doesn't sound good. And there are both kinds in every genre of music, and at every level of difficulty. Watching a musician for their virtuosity alone is very interesting for about 20 minutes. Then you want to go hear some good music.
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Originally Posted by strumcat
Now, if this thread was titled "compare how you feel when listening to really great rock/blues playing vs difficult-yet-uninspiring Jazz playing" - you're comment would be right at home. But seeing it isn't, well....
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A lot of people feel that way about jazz though, like it or not.
We can argue about why...
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Yeah but then judging by the ratings, majority of people rather watch cheesy, exploitative, crime reality shows and keep being moved by the same fake, crude, obvious, banal devices then watching a good history documentary. Because that would be boring.
Although we all sometimes wonder about the lack of popularity of jazz and question if it's the fault of jazz musicians and culture, ask ourselves if jazz has gotten too carried away, is it too pretentious and in love with the idea of itself. Those elements might be there sometimes. Especially with the young musicians. Nothing is perfect. But jazz has consistently appealed to and satisfied the more curious demographic who is offended by the mainstream populist cliches. That's a very important task to fulfil.
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yea... sounds like we get it.... more difficult to play and much more difficult to perform Jazz etc...
So when one goes to see and hear music.... why do they go. the music, the show, the performers, probably the majority go for one of the three.... or maybe for the social action, food etc...
It's a little weird to be on a jazz guitar site and need to get into why audiences would rather go see and hear jazz rather than pop, blues or rock etc... so as posted... the obvious, most don't....... But if one can actually perform jazz.... have performance skills.... be able actually make connection with audience.... most really dig it.
The problem is most don't have those skills, because they don't work on them.... it takes years and is nonstop work. If you don't have or make some kind of personal connection to the audience.... your just background music. If you can't chew gum and walk at the same time...you need to work on the skill, it's part of performance.
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Originally Posted by strumcat
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Originally Posted by strumcat
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Originally Posted by Tal_175
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Originally Posted by Reg
It's a little weird to be on a jazz guitar site and need to get into why audiences would rather go see and hear jazz rather than pop, blues or rock etc... so as posted... the obvious, most don't....... But if one can actually perform jazz.... have performance skills.... be able actually make connection with audience.... most really dig it.
The problem is most don't have those skills, because they don't work on them.... it takes years and is nonstop work. If you don't have or make some kind of personal connection to the audience.... your just background music. If you can't chew gum and walk at the same time...you need to work on the skill, it's part of performance.
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I’m not so sure the chasms between jazz and rock or blues (or even country) has always been that wide. Take Scotty Moore or T-Bone Walker for instance. I hear lots of jazz in their playing.
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Originally Posted by princeplanet
However, I will say that most people gloss over the technical proficiency required to play even some non-shred classic rock. Somebody mentioned GnR upthread.
Try to play this solo like this guy plays it. And it's not considered a hard solo...
I mean granted, you can play the notes and even throw your own solo in there and it would fit fine, but I think part of the job of a rock guitarist is to play it 'just like that' or better with all the nuances and inflections. And it's not easy.
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Originally Posted by jobabrinks
Rock and pop bands are more entertainers than musicians (with some notable exceptions). This is not jazz snobbery. I think that's how most of the public sees them as well. Learning jazz really makes you feel like you're on a journey to become a musician.
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Originally Posted by Tal_175
The consensus is that it is an easy solo, but it's really not that easy.
I mean, a lot of people 'can sort of play that solo' but not like that guy. That guy hasn't just been playing for a few years.
Check out the rest of his stuff...
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Originally Posted by jobabrinks
Last edited by Tal_175; 06-02-2019 at 05:46 PM.
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Who the hell cares if a jazz player can play a Guns n Rose's solo? I dont care if Slash can shred on Giant Steps...
This whole thread reeks of guitar owner syndrome, where music is a competition and we need to make "best of lists" of everything.
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Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
I don't care, that's for sure.
OP posted something about people who played both rock and jazz and discussing what goes into learning what and being a good player at both and I was commenting on that.
Cheers...
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Its all good. I think the thread is ridiculous anyway, which is no fault of yours.
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