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How many jazz rhythms do you know that you can notate using notation or rhythm slashes? For people starting out to advanced players wanting to learn rhythms?
Last edited by bobsguitars09; 06-05-2016 at 01:21 PM.
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06-05-2016 12:51 PM
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How many are there?
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How do you know them... without being able to notate them out.
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I'm hoping someone posts examples here. My wife is a piano player and insists that asking guitar players this question is a hopeless endeavor. I say she is wrong!
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What makes a rhythm "jazz?" Syncopation?
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She's laughing at me right now! Saying those who don't know (like me) will answer with questions and never post examples. And will resort to the "you have to find out on your own by listening and report back" style answers. Not directed at you guys.
I start lessons next month with a new teacher. The first thing we are working on is rhythm. I'll report back.
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Well, it's a vague question.
I don't have any notation software here, but here's a few "jazz rhythms," I suppose...
How about "dotted quarter, eighth, half note rest" (charleston)
two dotted quarters (swinging a waltz)
triplet, 2 8ths, 4ths or 4 8ths, triplet, 2 8ths (Parkerisms from Donna Lee)
Quarter, two 8ths, tie the second eighth to another pair of eighths, quarter (a la "How High the Moon)
Shoot, don't forget straight quarters and Eighths...
I think the reason you're not getting more responses is that it seems like a "Quiz" (how much do these jokers know) more than something that will actually help you...I mean, if it's played in a jazz tune, it's a "jazz rhythm."
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I know what she is saying. I think a great start to learning jazz rhythms can be taught from Bossa Nova tunes.
Since I cant figure out how to write rhythm notation, Ill post a pic to a basic patern.
I think Bossa focuses on a specific rhythm throughout the entire tune, where other jazz tunes do not, so most guitarists just wing it and make up a groove.
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ok, tell you wife to go make us some sandwiches and get me a beer and I'll be happy to explain how rhythm notation works for the benefit of any piano players lurking out there
first, let's restrict ourselves to 4/4. You do this exercise with all the other time sigs, but first you have to learn this process in common time
split the bar into two 2 beat parts. Now, at the 8th note level, enumerate all the possible ways to notate 2 beats without using rests. There are a finite number. Now you take the ways you have to write 2 beats and number them.
then you take #1 and pair it with all the other groups so that each of your 2 beat groups is paired with another 2 beat group to make up the full 4 beat measure. Then take the second group and pair it with all the other groups, and continue until you have done this with all the ways you found to notate 2 beats at the 8th note level. This is how guys learn to read rhythms, BTW, and it is why you will notice that a lot of lead sheets tie across the "and" of 2 and 3 in common time
so after you have all your combinations, go back and tie from the end of one group to the start of the next
then go back and systematically add rests. Write all this down by hand on paper and play through your work.
then do the same thing with 16th notes
then figure it out for 3 beats (use 2 + 1) and then you have all your compound meters sorted
Jack Petersen had us do all this in 8th notes, 16th notes, 3/4, 6/8 and then compound meters like 7/8 and 11/8
so that is how you go about making your own rhythm reading exercises
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Yea... not really the right question. Maybe a better question would be how many rhythmic styles are there. And then each style would have actual specific rhythmic patterns etc...
As I've always posted... check out percussion or drum examples and you'll begin to get into the parts of rhythms of different styles of music.
If your just looking for somewhat vanilla general guidelines for comping different styles, again it would be a huge list...
Music Genre List - A complete list of music styles, types and genres
Jazz rhythms? I personally think it's more about the player, I'm a jazz Player, I can play any style of music in a jazz style etc... Looking for specific "jazz" rhythms would be more of how to play a jazz tune, how a non jazz player could perform a jazz tune. There is a difference.
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Originally Posted by Nate Miller
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Originally Posted by Nate Miller
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06-07-2016, 11:23 AM #13dortmundjazzguitar GuestOriginally Posted by bobsguitars09
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Originally Posted by ronjazz
I didn't like the idea that his piano playing wife told him guitar players wouldn't know about this
so while I was setting things strait, I thought I'd get her to make us some sandwiches, what's the problem?
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Originally Posted by dortmundjazzguitar
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Last edited by Jabberwocky; 06-07-2016 at 12:20 PM.
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06-07-2016, 12:36 PM #16dortmundjazzguitar GuestOriginally Posted by Jabberwocky
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I ask because I really don't know
How would these standard jazz rhythms be notated? From the real books. When it tells you to play with these rhythms.. What do you do? What do the rhythms look like?
Ballad
Medium Swing
Slowly
Freely
Moderately Slow
Moderate Blues Tempo
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I wouldn't think of those as "rhythms." They're "feels."
Generally, you've got some things that are a little more "set," like a freddie green four to the bar comping thing, or a bossa (but there's a lot of ways to play a bossa) or a charleston. But jazz players often are improvising rhythms as they accompany. So there's not one way to play "medium swing," other than that it's medium tempo, and it swings.
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Ahhhhh now that makes sense
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You see why people thought the question in the OP was a little weird?
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Originally Posted by bobsguitars09
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Basically the big difference between jazz feels or versions of rhythmic patterns... even notated out rhythms is like what Mr B said ... jazz rhythms generally play off beats... we don't play down beats. Even if we play four down beats or four quarter notes notated out... the feel is different. Everything is basically some form of a triplet.
I made a living writing music, still compose and arrange . Pick a style and I'll notate out a few, I'll notate as traditionally notated and then how actually played. The how played is partly related to the "Feel and Style" list you made above.
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Originally Posted by bobsguitars09
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