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Yes that's correct.
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04-26-2021 09:36 PM
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I just saw on your forum that Tommy Harkenrider offers a Mickey Baker course on a monthly subscription. https://tommyharkenriderguitar.com/shop/mickey-baker-employee tracking-subscription/It's super cool, thanks a lot. This is exactly what I was looking for
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Originally Posted by Simonny9
Looks interesting
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Check out Tommy Harkenrider Tommy Harkenrider Blues & Roots | He has video's on book 1 and 2. I complete book 1 with his lessons.
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Dear all,
I have a few questions:
- On lesson 16, how do you transcribe / interpret the changes? With G7 > C7, I thought of it as II7 > V7, so in the key of Ab, it's Fm7 > Bb13 > Bbm7 > Bbm6. G7 > Cm confuses me more. I tend to think of it as III7 > vi. Or should I think in V7 > i?
- I can understand the substitutions intellectually because I know of the common notes. However, sometimes I have a hard time matching the substitution to the original chord when I hear them, simply because they can sound so different. Should I try to learn to match them in my ears? Assuming the answer is a yes: how do I go about that? Play and listen more?
- There was a link that lists jazz standards without substituted chords so we can practice jazzifying things on our own. If someone could provide that link, I'd be very grateful.
Many thanks and cheers
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G7 to C7; This is quite common in jazz - dom to the dom. There are key changes needed here, G7 is V in C and C7 is V in F.
You can put a II chord before the 2nd dom to make a II V
The G7 to C7, in blues, is a 1 to IV, it can also be a III to VI, ie changes
The G7 to Cm can be VI to II or a III to VIm ie all of m
good luck with you studies.
cheersLast edited by Halifax Steve; 01-19-2022 at 10:51 AM.
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Do you know about the Jazz and Hot Guitar Website? It's basically a study guide for the book
I think the website you asked for in 3 is The Vanilla Book.
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Originally Posted by AllanAllen
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Selfish bump. Is anyone here currently Bakering? That is, systematically going through the book/s?
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Well, there is a romance in knowing that finally, I will be going through Mickey Baker alone. Sort of like a Ray Bradberry story or a twilight zone episode. The last man on earth.
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Originally Posted by Kirk Garrett
BTW have you seen this?
Mickey Baker Jazz Guitar | Rob MacKillop ~ Musician
Good luck!
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Originally Posted by Kirk Garrett
I did just that..went through the book as instructed by Baker,,that is one lesson a week (52 lessons) ..write out some of the lessons in all keys (this was my learning to read and write music in all keys) and when reaching lesson 52--Start from lesson ONE again and go through to lesson 52 !!
So if you really want to get the full benefit of the book..its a TWO YEAR course !
Now in addition you should study songs and harmonic/melodic theory and some additional more advanced chord studies
After the Baker book I studied theory and diatonic harmony and standards. I also played with other musicians as much as I could and learned from them.
I was still hungry for more and was fortunate to be able to study with Ted Greene for two years.
These days I study the works of modern players and some of Bakers basic lessons work in some of these settings
Good luck on your journey
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Originally Posted by rbcampbell1
My main question is how to apply the Baker approach to the vanilla versions of songs, which I think will come with time as I go through the book. The Real books sort of do everything for you without giving you a foundation, so I think using them with Baker is a good approach.
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Originally Posted by Kirk Garrett
Anyway, the trick I think is to always have the old 'vanilla' changes in mind while playing the new ones. For example, you'll soon see that Mickey likes to sub minor chords for dominants e.g. Am7 / Am6 / for D7 / / /. Try to remember that you're playing D7, not Am7 or Am6. Mickey talks about this stuff in Lesson 12 and in Book 2.
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Originally Posted by rbcampbell1
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Originally Posted by Kirk Garrett
I noticed this with my mom (now 93) that although she grew up loving music from the '30s and '40s she did not have any interest in the notion of standard or of a standard rep. She liked (and played) the songs she liked, with no thought that this one was more important than that one.
Whenever I have a go at Mickey's book now, I don't try to figure out what songs the chords fit but rather try to come up with my own songs to those changes. I'm really selfish about music: "How can I make use of this?"
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Originally Posted by Kirk Garrett
This website is a great companion.
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Originally Posted by AllanAllen
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Originally Posted by rbcampbell1
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Originally Posted by Kirk Garrett
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Originally Posted by Kirk Garrett
Last edited by rbcampbell1; 05-31-2023 at 09:06 PM.
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Originally Posted by crusoe
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Originally Posted by Kirk Garrett
If you want to get a taste of what Book 2 is about I'd recommend listening to Barney Kessel's playing on Julie London's version of 'Cry Me a River'...
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Originally Posted by rbcampbell1
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Originally Posted by Kirk Garrett
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