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I agree. I would just say "responsible" instead of "courteous." I also think bans are rarely appropriate. One can always ignore. That's the best way to get rid of somebody. I am amazed when people rise to the bait, then call for a ban.
Originally Posted by Stringswinger
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01-21-2024 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by princeplanet
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Originally Posted by Stringswinger
I also don't really take anyone's criticisms or insults to heart. They are entitled to see things how they want. So am I. If I get banned I guess I will accept my fate the same way I will if I get covid and die. I did not expect to make friends with my brash viewpoint but as the thread went on it started to become obvious I am not the only person who has doubts about how it was handled. I do not see the world in shades of grey so generally I only have polarizing thoughts to share.
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Originally Posted by DawgBone
Here are some facts:
Flu deaths per year are estimated between 4900 to 52,000.
Covid deaths in 2021: 460,000.
Meaning, somewhere between about 10 and about 90 times as many deaths from Covid that year compared to flu averages.
Media can get shrill, but that's more than 3 times as many American deaths in 2021 as in all of WWII. Sounds like a story to me.
Might it be that that's why people responded differently to Covid compared to flu?
Here are the citations:
Disease Burden of Flu | CDC.
Provisional Mortality Data — United States, 2021 | MMWR
United States military casualties of war - Wikipedia
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Originally Posted by rpjazzguitar
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Originally Posted by DawgBone
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DB, ya if this was The Gear Page you would have been banned a long time ago lol..
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Originally Posted by DawgBone
I don't see those two categories as equally valid.
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Bro we get it, nobody tells DawgBone what to do. Don't vote, don't mask, don't get shots, drinking and driving is fine, yee-ha, Texas, people do coke at your gigs. We GET it.
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Ultraviolet light can kill almost all the viruses in a room. Why isn’t it everywhere?
Ultraviolet light can kill almost all the viruses in a room. Why isn’t it everywhere? - Vox
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Originally Posted by DawgBone
He also was living in Hong Kong when COVID first began to be found there, and moved back to the US as it was hitting hardest here. Then lived in Montreal Canada during the worst of it, and witnessed firsthand the rather draconian and ultimately, ineffective measures imposed by the Canadian government.
He is a natural born contrarian with a love of annoying pundits and ideologues and was not interested in confirming or disconfirming anyone's narrative. He just wanted to know, to make good choices for his family, and had a considerable body of skills and experience that equipped him to work it out.
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Good post. Interesting to look at where we are with excess deaths right now. Our govt (UK) and opposition don’t seem interested.
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Validated numbers are better than anecdotes.
That said, after seeing video of refrigerated trucks acting as makeshift morgues in hospital parking lots -- and everybody I know knowing some people who died from it, those numbers are in line with my expectations.
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First-hand anecdotes from a trusted source are useful as evidence--my account of my brother's encounter with Covid, for example, is as accurate as I can make it, and I can back some of it up with dates and text messages and contemporary e-mail exchanges with my siblings. But any given anecdote is just one data point, and you have to line up and evaluate and analyze a lot of them before they begin to approach the status of "data." In fact, I prefer "evidence," with the additional suggestion that anecdotal accounts be lined up with conventional quantitative data and analysis (for example, demographic and epidemiological analysis) and well-grounded technical research (for example, virology and immunology).
That is the way to build a big picture--and we should never forget that the picture is constructed and is not a simple, unitary entity. Similarly, recommendations built on such a big picture are inevitably also constructions, with all the constraints that any risk-management system entails. We live in a probabilistic universe, and "knowledge" is never complete--though long-established and frequently-re-examined practice gets pretty reliable, and the models that support it can get quite solid. (How long since the last smallpox epidemic? Had typhoid recently? Where does polio show up?)
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For me the problem is not about one's stance on COVID. It never was. I think that masks and vaccines were the right things to do. And I believe that any employer or business owner has the right to require these things if they feel that it's in the best interest of their business. But these are open for discussion and I have no issue with debating that.
The problem I have is being called a bigot.
Originally Posted by DawgBone
If anyone can get away with saying anything about anyone then where does it stop? If I don't agree with someone's opinion on something can I fly off the handle and based on their profile picture and call them "a fat pig who obviously can't think because they can't push themselves away from the table"?
In other forums, I've seen where people get unhinged and carry their personal vendettas into threads that have nothing to do with them. Posts like - "Don't listen to so-and-so about pickups - he's an ignorant commie faggot" start to show up. And threads devolve into insult matches that have nothing to do with the original topic. Then the value of the site degrades and people with anything useful to say (e.g. professionals), go elsewhere because they think "why bother with this shit? I could get dragged into something like this trying to help somebody".
I think there's a limit to what one can say in a civilized discussion forum. Otherwise it can get devalued and potentially degrade to nothing (see the "alt.guitar.amps" USENET group if you want an example).
I come here because it's a great resource and a refuge of intelligent discussion and relative civility. I'd like it to remain that way. But it's not up to me, it's for the owners of this forum to decide and do as they wish.
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Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
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apocalypse been coming since creation so enjoy life while you can...
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Originally Posted by DawgBone
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Originally Posted by BFrench
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Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
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Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
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I don’t know who is trolling because my patience isn’t what it used to be. But I wonder how many people here spend 30-60 minutes on a crowded commuter train to go to an open office space of about 30-odd people and return on said crowded commuter train to arrive home to see their wife or partner that has done nearly the same thing and to also see their shared kids who have spent their whole day in several classrooms of 30-odd other kids and a few adults let alone time spent in a crowded cafeteria for 40-60 minutes. My guess is that this resembles nothing like some people here experience. And you wonder how COVID got to the far reaches of the globe within a few short weeks since it was first uncovered as a lethal infection.
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