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"You can do whatever you want..but you are still responsible for what you do." -
- Ornette Coleman
These people yammering about their rights and freedoms never mention their responsibility to others. There is no freedom without responsibility or from responsibility.
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01-20-2024 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by BFrench
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Originally Posted by wintermoon
What they don't understand is that such laws\restrictions actually increase freedom. The freedom for the majority of people to move around society in a safe manner. But the key here is 'majority of people'. When one is a sociopath what is best for the majority isn't a concern.
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79 and even more retired, with a 78-year-old wife still working (in the classroom), and we dodged Covid until last month, when we got the (presumably) JN.1 variant, which (thanks to our being fully vaxxed and boosted and dosed with Paxlovid) was quite manageable.
Nevertheless, despite the care with which we conducted ourselved over the last three-plus years, we could easily have contracted asymptomatic cases and passed the virus on without having a clue. One would have to test regularly (probably every week or so) to be sure of not harboring the virus.
So absence of evidence (as in the absence of testing) is not evidence of absence. My problem with the nationwide public-health response is that it was a bit timid in the evidence-gathering department. Contact tracing and widespread regular testing would have given us a much better picture of spread and severity beyond the obvious evidence of cases requiring treatment or hospitalization.
For example, had my late brother gotten a test when he felt ill on returning from Jordan, he might not have come to the (almost certainly mistaken) conclusion that he didn't need to get vaccinated because he already had "natural immunity." That mistake (along with his acceptance of the macho-man military-contractor culture he was part of) cost him his life. At least one of his cop friends did listen to him when, having realized his mistake, my brother urged him to get the shot.
This, of course, is an anecdote, not virology or statistical assessment of whole-population behavior, but I suspect that my brother's attitudes and behavior were not unique. I recognize the social, political, logistical, and economic factors that made comprehensive testing and surveying a hard sell. (The history of the responses to the 1918 flu epidemic are eerily similar.) But I would hope that public health officials apply the lessons learned from Covid. And that they find ways of countering the ignorance and childish resistance at large in our public culture, because this is not going to be the last novel virus we encounter.Last edited by RLetson; 01-21-2024 at 01:59 PM.
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Originally Posted by Christian Miller
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Originally Posted by wintermoon
I skipped jury duty about ten years ago and I need to renew my drivers license. I do stop at red lights and am a careful driver. I might give you covid at a gig but I won't run you over on my way home so I guess in the jazz guitar world I"m batting 50/50.. Look out.
I played in a tiny shoe box tonight cause it was cold. No one had masks. Is that a job hazard? Would it have been better to scream into a beta 58 through an N-95? I guess we just see the world through a vastly different lens. You guys are some serious killjoys man. I'd rather be dead than live like that.
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Originally Posted by Bop Head
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Originally Posted by Christian Miller
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Originally Posted by DawgBone
I love playing the guitar as much as anything and more than almost everything else. I will do whatever I can to be able to play as often as possible for as many years as I have left. I’d rather play with a mask on than not play, because the music sounds and feels so good. I want the musicians with whom I share this feeling to be able to keep playing, and I want the audience to be able to keep coming back.
To me, it’s well worth wearing a mask and getting vaccinated. You can’t play the blues with cold dead hands.
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Originally Posted by RLetson
Originally Posted by nevershouldhavesoldit
Originally Posted by nevershouldhavesoldit
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Originally Posted by Bop Head
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Originally Posted by Christian Miller
blacklist me
(EDIT: the unicon glyphs I found aren't supported by the forum apparently)
You may also want to click this to ignore this thread
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Originally Posted by Christian Miller
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Originally Posted by DawgBone
Except for those few who have called to have you banned from this forum. They are just intolerant jerks who are unable to match you in a debate. Don't cut them any slack. There are some very good people who participate here, respect the opinions of others with whom they disagree and they add valuable viewpoints to the discussions. And then there are those guys.
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That didn't take long!
Originally Posted by Stringswinger"Some posters here seem to have trouble agreeing to disagree. But that should not surprise me considering that this is a place where if you bring up the subject of Gibson guitars, emotions start to run high and rational thought gets quickly discarded.
Over and out for me. Have at it guys. And have fun. "
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Originally Posted by Phil59
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When I can't talk sense, I talk metaphor.
John Philpot Curran
Originally Posted by Stringswinger
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I think you guys need to zoom out! Musicians, especially Jazz musicians, are empaths by nature. DB is not a "sociopath", and his detractors are not "intolerant jerks". You're all mature and reasonably intelligent people, but you'll disagree when I suggest most of you appear to have been taken in (without your awareness?) by the way that modern media is designed to trick you into taking a polarised view on a great number of binary issues. Are you for or against covid vs vaccines, Trump vs election fraud, Brexit vs no Brexit, Israel vs Palestine, UFOs vs no UFOs, Johnny Depp vs Amber Heard, etc etc...
We think we're all experts on our chosen stance on all these positions, because we've read the data! LOL, as though
we've carefully researched all credible, peer reviewed information on both sides of an argument like a good academic should. But we haven't, instead we're spoon fed emotionally charged morsels from our favourite echo chambers that play into expectation bias... but it's curated by the "algorithm", not you! We know it, but we still refuse to divide our time equally between exploring both sides of any debate. OK, maybe one or two of you will make up the tiny minority (in my experience at least) that does make this effort, but if you're not ultimately agnostic on most of these issues, you've probably been seduced into swallowing either one narrative or another, hook, line and sinker.
In the words (I think) of the great Oliver Cromwell "I beseech thee, in the bowels of Christ, pray that thee may be wrong! "
Fence sitters of the world unite!
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What is your point Phil? Do you want me to stay out of this thread? I will do so when I want to and I will come back as I like. If that troubles you so much that you feel the need to call me out for it, I would suggest that you might need some help.
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Originally Posted by Stringswinger
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Originally Posted by Tal_175
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Originally Posted by Tal_175
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I don't care what you do. I was just teasing you for saying you were done, then coming back a little later. For you to suggest that I "might need some help" (whatever that means) seems extreme, doesn't it?
Originally Posted by Stringswinger
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Originally Posted by Phil59
I felt "provoked". And I always give as good as I get.
I am not on board with everything Dawgbone has expressed. When I caught Covid, I stayed home for 10 days until I tested negative and I missed some highly paid gigs. It seemed like the right thing to do. He says that he played gigs when he had Covid because he needed the money. In my view, a courteous human being takes reasonable steps to avoid spreading an illness to others. We can all debate what those "reasonable" steps are.
But calling to ban someone from a public forum just because you do not like their views, even if you feel that they have insulted others is, IMO, wrongheaded. I felt the need to speak up about that.
Archtop with tweeter - yay or nay?
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