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Actually with something like salsa or samba or Bossa, the genres have cross pollinated with jazz so much that articulation is probably one of the only big differences to speak of on the individual level.
And they’re all beautiful unique musics in their own right … articulation matters that much.
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10-01-2023 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Christian Miller
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Originally Posted by emanresu
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Originally Posted by pamosmusic
but honestly, if someone can’t ground this sort of thing in music, it’s just sophistry, doubling down on an unsupportable position out of … I don’t know? Internet physics?
Red rag(man) to the bull unfortunately.
the thing is I know who on this forum is likely to talk about what they have found in music, and those who basically never do. There’s not much to be gained by flogging that dead horse.
I should have the confidence and good grace just to let it go.
djg made the point best, as usual.
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Originally Posted by pamosmusic
I am not going to deal with Christian or his imaginary friends. I think I shall spend a lot less time on this forum.
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Originally Posted by Litterick
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Is Mike stern my imaginary friend?
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Originally Posted by Christian Miller
I won't be dealing with your personality disorders any more. You are a bully. Most forums would not tolerate you.
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Originally Posted by Litterick
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Originally Posted by Christian Miller
I must say, I am honored.
Or maybe djg. Maybe both?
How many of the 80,384 members on this forum are actually Christian?
I’m going with low five digits, minimum.
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Originally Posted by pamosmusic
I mean… really?
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Christian is the Fernando Pessoa of jazz guitar message boards.
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I reckon Ragman could be one of my alts
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Originally Posted by pamosmusic
i get paid $0.01 per post in bitcoin straight from Dirk. I’ve got a macro set up. It’s cool.
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Originally Posted by emanresu
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Originally Posted by rpjazzguitar
Scotty Moore (Elvis’ first guitarist)
Chet Atkins
Roy Clark
Don Rich (Buck Owens other half)
Les Paul
Arthur Smith (Guitar Boogie)
Zeke Turner (played the solo on Hank Williams Move it on over)
Eldon Shamlin and Junior Barnard (Bob Wills top guitarists)
More well known here is Johnny Smith, Moonlight In Vermont was a crossover hit and then The Ventures made a career off Walk Don’t Run.
Hope this helps.
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Originally Posted by Christian Miller
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Originally Posted by Litterick
Apart from chatting on the forum, there is also something like playing the guitar.
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This post is #96 in this thread. The discussion has been quite heated between Litterick and others. So far guitarists like Wes, Herb Ellis and many others who use hammer-ons and pull-offs have been dismissed by Litterick as exceptions or outliers to the rule he quotes, saying that in jazz guitar playing those techniques are not used. Nobody, Litterick included, has been able to name any jazz guitarist who beyond doubt don't use them while many has been named who do use them.
With so few (any?) adhering to the core of jazz guitar playing techniques and so many who don't it could be tempting to conclude that at the end of the day there are actually very few true jazz guitarists out there - and maybe Wes, Herb and many others are not jazz guitarists after all?
Of course, that is not true. As I said in an earlier post, such attempts to fence in music with tight definitions are futile. All the great innovators in jazz were innovators BECAUSE they broke the rules, definitions and general consensus and they were all exceptions/outliers before their style became accepted. There are countless stories and anecdotes illustrating that. Just to qoute a few:
Hershel Evans to Lester Young: "You've got an alto tone. Why don't you play alto?". Lester (pointing to his head): "There's something going on in here. The rest of you just consist of belly."
Cab Calloway to Dizzy Gillespie: "Don't play that Chinese music in my orchestra."
Ben Webster (as he rips a tenor saxophone out of the hands of a by then unknown Charlie Parker): "That horn ain't meant to be played that fast." Yet, later the same night Webster told anyone who would listen that he had just heard a new guy who would soon turn everything upside down.
Miles Davis: "They told me to fire John Coltrane. They also told me to get rid of Philly Joe Jones. I know what I want though."
And finally Duke Ellington: "If it sounds right, it is right."Last edited by oldane; 10-02-2023 at 07:02 AM.
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I mean … all that stuff is true, but the point of this whole whacky argument was that this “jazz guitarists don’t slur” thing has never been a rule. Wes broke some musical barriers, but that was not one of them.
I don’t know. Whole things a bit weird.
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Originally Posted by pamosmusic
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Originally Posted by James W
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And then there's BENDS. Don't forget bends.
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Why is jazz guitar not sound like dad rock????
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