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The public doesn't care, and neither do the people who profit off of these fools.
And there in lies the the problem why there is no good new music!
They killed the Goose that played the Golden Egg ! It's not how precise you can play your memorized scales and licks. It's about synergy between Real People who have experience creating music!
P.S. How's my old freind Solieri doing these days Marcel?
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05-16-2021 02:35 PM
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I think you mean salieri? Haven’t seen him live for a while now!
Probably has his own YouTube channel. Untalented thwart!
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Well if things stayed the same it would be a very boring world. I live in an area that has become dead as a doornail concerning good live shows. Since I can look in at Smalls in NYC or The Baked Potato in LA 3rd and Lindley in Nashville YT is quite valuable to me! But the age of the trained rat 13 year old virtuoso is upon us also. I lived in KC.Mo. for about 13 years and there were several good organ trio guys and a chance to get a fair amount of paid work with GB gigs. They spent 185,000$ on a white plastic saxophone Charlie Parker played one time at the Massey Hall concert for The Jazz Museum,which included an ongoing live jazz music room named The Blue Room. But Ive been away from there for about 10 years,unfortunately. But even back then I noticed buy some"jazz" cheseburgers or get your spring wardrobe "jazzed up" more than very many making a living at it.But a few really good ones did. The cities retailers liked to use the word "jazz" to sell things. I believe Mike Metheny and Jerry Hahn settled there. Covid knocked out even the big timers for a while. Someone who is there now would be more knowledgeable. As far as ease to music education with a tap of the fingers I think modern times have a lot to offer. But the art form just isnt shiny and new anymore. Too bad.
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Yes that's the guy!
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Originally Posted by Marcel_A
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Poor old Salieri. I feel he deserves better than being the victim of worst theatrical hatchet job since Richard III
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He’s also a Japanese video game character, and looks pretty badass so there is that
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Originally Posted by Marcel_A
Yes. But, only due to those on this Forum who have posted their music(Snarky). However, there is a generational thing for most of us that sets your standards of performance and when you grow up on a steady diet of James Brown, Wilson Pickett, Sam and Dave, B,S and T, Tower of Power, Wayne Cochran, Rufus Thomas, or Maceo's hot band, Snarky just doesn't make the cut. It's not that they're bad but they don't have the "feel" for me. So, if you like them . . . great! It's your honest opinion and I've given mine. Here's Blue-eyed Soul Brother Wayne Cochran and the C.C. Riders and the music that I played for most of my professional career as a Saxer and which dominated the club scene in the late 60's and 70's. Enjoy!
Play live . . . Marinero
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The last several years I have been performing at retirement centers with my boom-box. Many in my audience think the Benny Goodman Groups with Charlie Christian and myself adding in is music that brings back very pleasant memories. What people liked when they were happy and young is usually what they think is the best music. A lot of Baby Boomers like classic rock as do I. Many radio stations have that format. Playing retirement centers is a good way to share your music and help cover expenses. The people who were poor thru life end up in really crappy centers who may not pay well but the experience of gratitude and happiness from your audience makes it worthwhile. I think its best to cover the main styles but sometimes they hire classical players. Covid has knocked this type of work and activity out for a while but soon I think it will come back. If you were stuck in one of those places as many of us will, like it or not,you would want to hear some good LIVE GUITAR!!!
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Originally Posted by steve burchfield
Can I ask what they pay for a gig (usually 45 minutes to one hour) in your area at the retirement centers?
Play live . . . Marinero
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Retirement centers... Benny Goodman, Charlie Christian? If you were in your twenties in the 1930s, you're over a hundred years old now. Average age of residents in retirement homes is 84, they were twenty in the 1957.
Better change that set list, the older boomers are now in their seventies.
Good on you though... I've done that with a combo before, no cash, paid with smiles and tapping feet. I remember Elvis songs were a big hit.
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I befriended some of Wayne Cochrane's band members when I lived in New Orleans in the 1970's. Kenny Cordray was a great guitarist from Houston, Texas
who used to play with Wayne during the Jaco period.
Hard to explain to younger musicians who never experienced those players on real live gigs. The videos don't do justice to them
Another band was The Meters. Live they were so powerful, it just doesn't co e through as much on records,videos,etc.
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I don’t know if it has been mentioned before (460 posts :yikes: ) but the best young musicians I have come across are either classical or bluegrass/Americana players. They aren’t really interested in pop music for all the same reason as the geezers on this forum.
In a way, the ultra produced edm influenced pop music is liberating to young musicians I’ve met (I have several young cousins and nephews who are musicians in their twenties). They have no fantasies of stadium concerts and multi-million dollar advances. A bit like bebop players of the 30’s and 40’s, these young players I’ve met are obsessed with technique, virtuosity, and the respect of other musicians. My generation all dreamed of mega stardom, and frankly tried too hard to be Yngvie, SVR, or Slash. Of course, I have no idea how any of them will make a living, but that’s for another conversation.
Admittedly, as a middle aged father of small children I am no judge of the current music scene. But based on my experience I have no fear for the seriousness or technical proficiency of young musicians.
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The difference now is Musicians and Entertainers have become mostly Amway Salespeople. The actual product is not as relevant as the visual, and amount of subscribers to your YouTube or Facebook page.
And there in lies the problem with the whole model. Can you imagine Jaco, Jimi, Coltrane, Charlie Parker having to do this? What utter B.S.!
Glad I'm old and lived in the Golden Age, even if it was the end of it!
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If you missed the 60’s or 70’s you missed out.
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Originally Posted by 2bornot2bop
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Originally Posted by Lobomov
Hi, Lobo,
You are a practical man and your logic makes perfect sense for popular entertainers. However, when you compare Jimi Hendricks to artists like Coltrane or Bird, the logic becomes flawed. The problem with many artists is that they love their Art more than they love money. Many are very impractical people but have a gift from the gods that makes living a pedestrian existence very difficult. Throughout my life, I have played with these "poetes maudits" and only a handful were capable of making a decent living in another venue. But, it wasn't just their lack of commercial mercantability but rather that they couldn't imagine doing anything else in their lives other than music. Some get inheritances, some marry well, and some will scrabble their entire lives for money. So, what I'm saying is that some very talented people will never be successful ,in a commercial sense, because their love for Art is impractical, passionate, and revered and they just don't have the survival skills. Poe died in a gutter in a drunken stupor; Van Gogh died by suicide; Mozart was penniless at his death; Toulouse-Lautrec died of alcoholism and syphyllis; Rembrandt died in poverty and bankruptcy . . . our lives would be less without their voices.
Play live . . . Marinero
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I'm old enough to remember that when Jimi Hendrix quit doing his theatrics the critics and crowd were quite unhappy with his newer music.
Hendrix was an incredibly inventive songwriter as well as guitarist and showman.
This could also be applied to Jaco Pastorius as well. People tend to forget his prolific songwriting.
It's become a visual and sales medium that shows off ones technical skills.To the detriment of audio and great songs with harmonic depth and adventure.
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Originally Posted by Greentone
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Originally Posted by Lobomov
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IIRC, the Jefferson Airplane Levi's advertisement was on radios around 1967. Rock for commercial $$$ has been around for a long time.
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Originally Posted by Lobomov
Thanks for your reply. I am very flattered by the interest you take in my life and the comically distorted facts you continue to mutter. However I ,now, believe these dialogues must have a profound therapeutic effect on your daily life and ,for that, I am much pleased. I am ,also, well-convinced by the language in your previous posts that you have never played as a working professional musician, never belonged to a musician's union, never been paid for studio recordings as I have for the majority of my life and, recently, until Covid, and are, at best, a frustrated dilettante as is easily seen by your aberrant views and quirky ideas about music. However, I will not put you on an "ignore" list since I am a believer in Free Speech but will refrain in the future to respond to your negative and frankly, bizarre personal attacks since, I believe, they will continue to profligate ad nauseum. So, Lobo, you'll just have to keep guessing as you fritter away wasted time that could have been better spent practicing your instrument in preparation for busking on whatever busy corner is closest to home. I wish you best of luck . . . and remember--Key of C . . . Mary had a little lamb . . . little lamb . . . little lamb . . . well, I think you know the rest.
Play live . . . Marinero
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I'm sorry things have become so toxic in this thread. Even though I've been a professional musician for the majority of my life, I don't think my opinions are more or less important than anyone else's.
I do think it gives me insight to understand how the career works in order to survive and make a living LOL!
I have also come to appreciate players like Glenn Campbell, Neil Levang, and many others as the true heroes of our profession.
Even most weren't known outside of their professional circles, they were the true
musicians who could play anything called upon in any situation.
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Thanks to all who've shared their opinions in this thread. It's what makes for good debate, to have observations from different experiences and professions.
Its just sad to see how musicians have always been undervalued in most
socities.
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This is why we can't have nice things.
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