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    With music clubs opening up again, I am wanting to get out and listen to more live Jazz and such. The places I like most are rather small, intimate locales and they depend a lot on revenue from selling alcohol.

    I am a one drink type of guy, or I may not drink at all. All night in these clubs, I hear "Drink up!" "Tip well" etc...

    The only solution I can come up with is to buy non-alcoholic drinks, if they indeed have them. Other than that, I am a butt taking up a seat, and not slamming the drinks like I used to, and like they want me too. I do tip the bands at least 10 bucks wherever I go.
    Any suggestions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlsoRan
    With music clubs opening up again, I am wanting to get out and listen to more live Jazz and such. The places I like most are rather small, intimate locales and they depend a lot on revenue from selling alcohol.

    I am a one drink type of guy, or I may not drink at all. All night in these clubs, I hear "Drink up!" "Tip well" etc...

    The only solution I can come up with is to buy non-alcoholic drinks, if they indeed have them. Other than that, I am a butt taking up a seat, and not slamming the drinks like I used to, and like they want me too. I do tip the bands at least 10 bucks wherever I go.
    Any suggestions?
    Sounds like you're contributing nicely to me. It frequently seems to me that musicians that go to clubs or that sit in don't contribute enough.

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    Thinking it through a bit further, it is more my problem of feeling like I am not going with the flow. I see folks all around me at this one really great club, their glasses pile up and the waitress makes many trips to their table

    Me, I have my one little drink that I am sipping on throughout the night (although I do buy drinks for others).

    I do think I may have answered my own question. I will just try and order a couple of non-alcoholic drinks, too, and tip the waitress. But, that normally means sodas - and I gave up sodas after years of tearing up my insides with that carbolic acid. Oh, the angst!

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    Buy your one $10 drink and give the waitress a $20. Tell her to keep the change. Nurse your drink, she's happy, tip the band. The bar owner will probably survive even if you don't kill your liver.

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    It is not unusual for a club to have a 2-3 drink minimum, so just spend money, whether alcoholic drink or not, and tip folks per usual.

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    Buy coca-cola or pepsi soft drinks and/or orange juice or milk (milk is pretty rare in bars). Buy several over the course of the night, and tip the staff heavily. The markup on soft drinks is pretty high, so the bar will possibly make as much money as they would if you just bought a couple of beers. Buy the drinks whether you drink them or not.

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    Or bring a date who drinks!

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    Yes, date a lush.

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    The sad fact is that many bars make a good share of their profits from people who drink too much. Just because someone else drinks 8 pints of beer in one sitting is no indication that you need to match them. Try some fancy bottled waters if they have them or in house made iced tea. I'm with you on avoiding sodas.

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    That is a dilemma for sure. Maybe have one of these and think about it.

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    Just tell them that you're allergic to alcohol.

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    Drink whatever non-alcoholic drink you like, tip the waitstaff generously, tip the band. Tip the club owner, if you think that will help (it will). Enjoy yourself in a sober and guilt-free way. Life is too short for self-inflicted guilt trips.

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    If you can stand the things, buy a nonalcoholic beer. Clausthaler dry hopped is about the best (of a bad lot) that I have found. Or an Arnold Palmer. I used to drink a club soda with a twist of lime back when I was gigging because even one beer impairs my guitar playing skills. And quite frankly I can't afford to lose any skills on a gig, I am barely keeping up at the best of times. If they charge you $2-3 for one of those, their cost into it is probably about $.10 so they may make more profit off of that than from selling you a beer.

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    What great responses!

    Thanks! I don't go out to eat or clubs unless I have enough to give a decent tip to the band and bartender or waitress.

    I will go with the non-alcoholic stuff, tell the waitress I am not much of a drinker and give her a big tip! They normally take care of me when I have done that in the past, making sure I have plenty of water.

    Thanks!

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    I will buy food if they have it, and tell them I don't drink, but I really want to listen to the music. When they bring the bill for the food I leave a good tip and keep hanging around, maybe nursing a soft drink or iced tea as long as possible.

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    Fun fact: we don’t tip in New Zealand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Litterick
    Fun fact: we don’t tip in New Zealand.

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    I will sometimes buy non-alcoholic beer and food, I like the Clausthaler Amber. I feel good that I generally bring other people with me to the bar.

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    This why there use to be a cover charge to pay for the entertainment. But people in many cities don t like the idea of a cover charge unless it's a national act. Then you buy a ticket!

    So to get around this problem bars just increased their drink prices. But cities have also levied taxes on alcohol sales to help pay for their Pro Sports Stadiums. And the tax which is suppose to be for only so many years, never gets rescinded and raised further! Its a no win situation for local entertainment, and now since Iphone and Youtubers competeing as well, forget about it!

    Well you can always watch or download the band or entertainers free video,lol!

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    Take me with you

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    Order "soda with a twist and a dash of bitters." Pay and tip as if it were an alcohol-based drink. And it looks like one too, for that going-with-the-flow effect.

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    I don't drink anymore because of health issues so when I go out I will just order a non-alcoholic beverage or two and many places charge almost as much as if it had alcohol but I don't care it keeps the place open. I discovered if the place has food and you order the beverage with the food, then they charge you less for a non-alcoholic beverage than if I order from the bar. I guess price of food makes up for the minimum they want. Then tip the waitress or barmaid so everyone is happy.

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    if its a full service bar..they have orange juice and other fruit juice to make mixed drinks..

    I just go for club soda/spring water and slice of lemon or lime..

    have not been able to drink cola sodas for many years..(anything that can remove paint !)

    having worked in restaurants I over tip the servers...

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    Lots of places have great non alcohol cocktails if into that..

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    I was drinking this awesome stuff the other night at the club, $4 a bottle, they said it was water, what a novelty. They even had this stuff called coffee....

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    The title of this discussion says everything. If they don't make money, you won't have live music. Generally, club/bar owners couldn't care less about music/musicians which is why I play upscale restaurants/bistros,hotels, and weddings where money is, generally,not an issue. God, I'm glad I don't play clubs anymore! Good playing . . . Marinero

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    Quote Originally Posted by cosmic gumbo
    I was drinking this awesome stuff the other night at the club, $4 a bottle, they said it was water, what a novelty. They even had this stuff called coffee....
    I've seen kids all cranked up on coffee.


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    Give up all hope. Move to California and drink leftover wine from a dumpster.

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    Buy a couple of rounds for the band or leave some money behind the jump for indigent musos who are passing through.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Litterick
    Fun fact: we don’t tip in New Zealand.
    With tip culture, Americans clinging to their own social class and other issues, it's a miracle there's any live music at all in the US.

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    Ha, ha. Nothing like a little forum humor to start the morning.

    I have to note that, as some of you have said, the club owners often make a larger profit margin on non-alcoholic drinks. So to be honest, that removes any concerns that I had.

    And, like Marinero and Stevebol said, at least for me, its about the musicians, although a couple of the clubs I go to have owners who are passionate about music and call me naive, I think they really do care.

    The Balcony Club has a room with individual caricatures of dozens of their regular performers, both past and present. Ownership changed hands last year, but I think the new owners are just as passionate - I could be wrong.

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    What I did when I wasn't drinking and still went into Bars/Clubs I would drink sodas or coffie and each time I ordered a drink I would tip $5, I bet they didn't get many $5 tippers for one drink from the other patrons. Now you might ask how does this help the owner, well the more I would tip means less the bar tender will over pour to get the tips from the Drinkers which saves the owner money. Some times I would Tip $20 at the end of the night so I would spend close to $60 in tips.

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    I order club soda with lime. Sometimes, coffee. Good tip for the waitstaff.

    Never had a problem.

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    How different the times can be: In Montparnasse's heyday (from 1910 to 1920), many cafes - some are still in business - were the places where starving artists could occupy a table all evening for a few centimes. If they fell asleep, the waiters were instructed not to awake them.
    That's the way you can attract crowds of artists and patrons, not requiring from the latter to consume at least two drinks per set.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marinero
    The title of this discussion says everything. If they don't make money, you won't have live music. Generally, club/bar owners couldn't care less about music/musicians which is why I play upscale restaurants/bistros,hotels, and weddings where money is, generally,not an issue. God, I'm glad I don't play clubs anymore! Good playing . . . Marinero
    I only miss a couple places in the US. I got $25 a gig in San Diego in the mid-80's. That's about $60 today. Strangely, beach clubs doing rock was OK in Buffalo. It was like a blur. Packed dance floor, everyone with a pitcher of beer and loud. All of a sudden the night is over...
    $250 a week in a Osaka pimp house...
    You know how that goes.
    Random other stuff here and there. I miss some of it.

    Fascism is hip so clubs can just hire DJ. I don't care about making noise with my guitar in some bar anymore.
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