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Was serious, complex music with philosophical and political themes supplanted by beach fantasies? Did challenging, intellectual music succumb to the power of relaxing tunes? Was the urban realism of post-bop smothered by suburban escapism? I think we should be told.
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08-20-2019 04:47 PM
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Nah. It was more like:
1. Small group jazz, lots of improvisation, virtuosity, Charlie Parker...
2. Elvis, Beatniks, Folkies,
3. The Beatles and all who followed really put the nail in the coffin.
But then something strange happened.
In the late 60s the rockers became enamored with long jams, hot solos, and so on.
Then we had a renewed interest in jazz in the 70s for awhile.
4. But then came along Disco, Rap, Hip-Hop.
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When has serious, complex, intellectual music ever been the touchstone for popularity?
Louis Armstrong among others observed that when bebop came in, jazz traded melody and danceability for speed and complexity. Jazz as a popular art form faded away.
Yes there were crazes from time to time, mostly trying to pin jazz on some pop trend of the time like bossa nova or rock (fusion) or even hip hop.
Let’s face it...after the 50’s jazz became niche music. It was bound to happen anyway.
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Yes, every time you call a Bossa Nova tune on a jazz gig you're accomplice to murder!
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Apples and Oranges. They can be blended with positive results, but they're still different species.
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hmmm, things have apparently gotten shortened here
Sounded pretty civil from what I could tell, but didn't catch the last couple posts
carry on....
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Latin music is straight time.
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No styles of music are dead. They need each other to survive. Bossa nova is samba music dressed in jazz clothes. Without jazz music, bossa nova would’ve been just samba music. Like someone other said, there’s no danger of mixing apples and oranges. It’s still music, right?
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Originally Posted by wintermoon
The other one is in 'theory'.
I also believed my posts were removed HERE but I was mistaken (they are THERE).
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Im not an expert, but dont know, "bossa nova killed jazz", too big phrase to say.
I think funk and soul killed jazz much more than bossa nova, bossa nova gave jazz a new air, and became a fasion many jazzers follow, I think refresh it, but funk-rock-soul thing i think killed jazz.
Lot jazz players of the time started playing funk, more simpler music, just because "it was the new and cool thing of the time", and they thought they were evolvin the music, but to my ear they backed up lot of steps for a "new cool sound".
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Jazz is still alive and kickin'! All Bossa Nova did was add to jazz, Charlie Byrd comes to mind! The deal with playing jazz is it's an exclusive art form and you gotta feel it in order to play it well! What other music could be written in 7/8's time and be good to many of us? Yeah, Don Ellis wrote Turkish Bath in the late 1960's but I could still hear a band playing it today, just not for 10 minutes like his other album release! lol Or Dave Brubeck with his 5/4 timing? Only jazz, only jazz!
Turkish Bath by Don Ellis - UNC Jazz Press
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Just heard the news from the forensic lab- Jazz killed itself.
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Listening to the newly available Getz recording (Live at the Village Gate), recorded just before his work with Gilberto, one must conclude that Bossa Nova killed straight-ahead jazz for a lot of people. Cause Getz didn't return to straight-ahead stuff for a LONG time.
I think a lot of jazz musicians and people in that circle looked at his success and said, hmmm, maybe there's a way to make a lot more money out of this stuff than we've been making?
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Originally Posted by Doctor Jeff
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Originally Posted by jameslovestal
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Originally Posted by sgcim
Benson decided that making money was more important than playing jazz. (something I understand since making money is key to our society).
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Buddy Holly killed jazz, and that's why they had to take him out. But, it was too late.....
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Jazz when it was Pop music performed by great musicians was probably the height of all Pop music. Later Boss's Nova and Latin was great as well. And then came the Folk Boom around the same time.
And although it was sometimes performed by great musicians as well.The harmonic structure allowed more amateur guitar players an in to the Pop world.
Then came the Beatles and as stated above it put the nail in the coffin.
I love the Beatles and many other rock and folk musicians for their contributions. But allowing bad guitarists to take over,Just as in newer church music. It has ruined music for good I'm afraid.
And even worse computers have made it possible for absolute non musicians to take over,YUK!!!
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Originally Posted by jameslovestal
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It is what I said in that thread "Jazz Killed Bossa". I said it is actually the other way around.
Maybe Bossa did not kill Jazz, but burying it alive, yes, it is.
Only tentacles left to be seen, waving.
Seriously, Rock and Folk were/are fair competition.
Bossa is cuckoo's egg, with devastating influence.
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Originally Posted by sgcim
If that's the case that's how I want to go.
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Originally Posted by Hep To The Jive
Hey, I like some of Benson's pop work, but I don't view it as jazz.
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Originally Posted by jameslovestal
I used to work with a singer whose 'showstopper' was 'The Greatest Love', and I played it a few times a week for many years.
After all those years, I heard Benson's version of it, and I couldn't believe how square and corny he sang on it.
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Originally Posted by jameslovestal
But back to your point...early jazz was dance music, from early New Orleans to big band stuff. It WAS the popular music of the day. After bebop, jazz became a single track that was much more isolated--artistically pure, but not broadly popular (with some exceptions of course--Brubeck's Take Five for instance).
Getz' bossa albums showed a path to broader appeal by fusing jazz to the dominant pop trends of the day. He created a template that others would follow--Wes, Benson, the jazz fusion groups like Mahavishnu, the smooth jazz players. His album with Gilberto was the first time a jazz album won Album of the Year at the Grammies--not to be repeated until Herbie Hancock in 2008.
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Originally Posted by Doctor Jeff
I keep being reminded of how many huge hit LP's Stan Getz had - -Moonlight in Vermont, ( '52 ), and then ten years later, Jazz Samba.
Just MHO.
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