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One group that is trying to merge the old and the new in jazz is Snarky Puppy. Have a listen on Youtube.
Doug
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06-16-2018 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by princeplanet
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as noted..times have changed..move with it or get run over..
Miles Davis..love or hate him..he moved..bop to cool..to modal..to fusion and new music was spawned from his explorations and the musicians that played with him..McLaughlin..hancock..scofield and others
mid late 70s saw miles in los angeles a fairly small theatre type venue..scofield on guitar..it was fusions day..sco was killing it too..then..miles playes a melodic line from a pop tune of the day..Time after Time /cindy lauper..and he made it jazz..because he knew how to do it..
I watch Jack White and enjoy the energy and innovation he puts into his music .. Steady as she goes..far from Jazz..but not the energy..I play some early miles and benny golson tunes..whisper not..that has some nice bop flavor to it..and I fully realize the folks that are into Jack White are not going to listen to Golson and get too excited..there is no right or wrong about it..no one or thing to blame..
some movie soundtracks use music for by gone periods for effect and it may be new to some young people..we must remember why jazz worked in the period it lived..it was the music of the day for the most part..Tony Bennett concerts are memory lane for most of his fans..yet he teamed with Lady GaGa for a duet album..BingCrosby sang with David Bowie..so who knows when jazz may make a surprise appearance to those who have never heard of miles davis or lady day
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If jazz were dead I don't think I could be the guitarist for two jazz bands, about to become three, with 15 performances this month, for audiences that like the way we perform, who deliberately come to hear us and request songs, including the dozen I've composed and taught to the band(s), and the standards, many of which I arranged and taught to the band(s)... if jazz were any much more less dead I would be inundated.
To my ear, virtually all popular attempts to enhance a music form to make it more widely appealing have been failures producing horrible stuff. It makes me wonder if maybe many who claim to like and play jazz actually don't, or just don't want to play it as jazz - that maybe they want to change it to something they craft and calculate to be "more widely appealing" but which just ends up being "most weirdly appalling"... then rationalize rejection as "jazz is dead".
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Originally Posted by wolflen
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Originally Posted by ragman1
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Bernard Herrmann was once asked by an interviewer whether he didn't feel limited by writing film music, because it limited his use of form.
His answer was, "When you go to the doctor, you are happy if he makes you well. Do you also expect him to make you rich!?"
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Originally Posted by pauln
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PMJ just celebrated 1 billion views.I think theres hope.Those female singers are out there as well as everybody else including tap dancers.If done right maybe get Esperanza Spalding to help brainstorm on some ideas.
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Dinosaurs apparently are dead outside of cinema, museums, toy stores and new unearthed relic news reports.
The many species of sound known as jazz still freely roam the earth, maintaining traditions as well as
evolving new forms of self expression. Obviously, jazz is not commercially and culturally front and center, but not dead.
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Got home tonight , too tired to play guitar, turned on the TV
the usual drivel prevailed, switched to You Tube instead to
see Tuba Skinny,the New Orleans Trad ragtime band. Not
usually my music but it was very entertaining. and fun,
I continued to see Wynford Marsalis quintet with a knock-out
violinist , plus Frank Vignola, and then Bucky Pizzarelli ( aged 88)
playing with a gypsy band. How can we say that Jazz is dead
with marvellous inspirational musicians like this to see and hear?
I continued and watched George Benson, Diana Krall, and one of
my several favourite guitarists, Joe Pass.
Pure bliss. ( as our comedian Billy Connolly would say in his
inimitable Glaswegian accent, Jazz is dead?? " absolute nonsense"
{Perhaps one should follow Rob MacKillop's advice to visit Edinburgh
for a plethora of Jazz, ) or simply look around you.
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Jazz is not dead... it has just changed shape.... explore....
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The OP said "Digital sales for jazz drop every year now. NOone is listening. Jazz hasn't evolved at all since the atonal solo overtook the swing of jazz. Which sadly knocked jazz music right out of the dance hall and it's been downhill ever since."
My theory is that everything evolves, for better worse. As I see it, jazz peaked in the early-mid 60s, rock peaked in the late 70s. Movies? Choose your own year, but clearly the best is behind us. Books? Ditto. Same with politics, alas.
A constant theme that I see in jazz is the desire to shred as opposed to being melodic. Showing your chops as opposed to playing for the audience. Maybe I'm wrong, I'm not connected with current music. But it's hard for me to believe that jazz musicians today are incapable of coming up with music that people like to hear, that makes them tap their feet and yes, maybe, dance a little. Regrettably, their peers would probably laugh at them for being so square.
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Originally Posted by DonEsteban
Not bad.
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Originally Posted by Phil59
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The novel has been dying for all of my adult reading life. In fact, most everything I enjoy is dead or about to be dead any minute.
Or maybe that’s just what some people say about any single established cultural enterprise in a world that increasingly has more and more things to see and do.
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Jazz is only dead if you want it to be. Just spend some time listening.
If you think jazz is dead, what in the world are you doing hang around here?
Jazz isn't a commercial music, but that's a good thing because the musicians can pursue their muse unfettered by commercial considerations.
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Originally Posted by drbhrb
I like movies, always have, but have cut off the premium cable channels. If it's even half good, I've already seen it. Plus I have pay per view movies. It's still pretty bad.
I saw a quote from some famous person in the movie business not too long ago who said that movies suck now and TV is hot (words to that effect). He was referring to cable TV channels of course, not the big 3 networks.
Anyway, please name a few amazing movies since 2013. Thanks.
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Originally Posted by Kirk Garrett
Unfortunately for adults, it is increasing difficult to find movies, music, and books that aren't banal youngster themes produced for short attention spans. The average consumer has just gotten a lot younger, with all that this change entails. We were all young once; we just didn't have enough money back then to influence whole industries.
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Nailed it.
It's all super hero, special effects, magical powers, and horror crap these days.
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where is jazz today?
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Didnt jazz stop being popular music after swing? That is a long time ago but jazz has since then attracted enthusiastic non musician listeners of the music. I believe that this group is dissappearing and the only listeners left are other jazz musicians or worse people like me - aspiring jazz musicians.
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Originally Posted by Jazzstdnt
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Originally Posted by Desm0nd
There are people who think this, but having played more than my fair share of swing gigs, I am not one of them. I like this era, but so much of what interests me about jazz comes after this period, esp from the point of view of the rhythm section, repertoire, harmony, comping etc.
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When I first got into jazz, fusion was popular- Weather Report, Return to Forever, etc. The free jazz stuff from ECM was popular with some of my friends, too. I lost interest in any of it when I discovered Charlie Parker. Didn't matter he'd already been dead for over 20 years. From there I got into the Tristano cool thing- and those guys were still alive! At the time I kind of skipped over hard bop, avant-garde, and 70's era CTI, eventually re-discovering them later in life.
My point is, I liked what I liked, just because it wasn't what was currently popular didn't mean jazz was dead.
Now in New Jersey, there's a lot of live jazz, in restaurants, (a few) clubs, and there's at least 2 or 3 annual festivals. More, I think, than when I was growing up.
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