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Originally Posted by christianm77
I do prefer NOLA type over trad swing format, more funky and groovy, and treat guitar more like a banjo, which is somehow comes natural for me.
On the other hand, the blowing aspect... hate me, but I think it's overrated. I played gigs where I haven't played a single solo, and yet I was very excited to play and be a part of the groove machine, especially if there's no drummer. Seeing people going crazy and dance their asses off to my beat is far more exciting than have them sit and stare at my fingers. If you have to play a solo break, just do a chorus or 2 if its a fast tune, and shut up and play rhythm, which is a guitarist most important job to begin with. Horns do it better anyway!
Another aspect of it, there are bands who do things exactly like it's been done 100 years ago, keeping it a museum artifact. I' am not a big fan of that either. Mix it up, take the best elements, like loco rhythm of early jazz, and add something. In my case it's a blues, surf, and rock'nroll influence. I wanna do my own thing, actually I am doing it, just need to record it well. Juxtaposing styles is what I love the best, there is no limit what you can do and be creative.
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03-05-2017 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Hep To The Jive
Trad jazz is often great when played by people *from* New Orleans. The second line beat is the fundamental heartbeat of much music including modern jazz... When jazz loses its connection to that heartbeat, I kind of lose interest.
The heartbeat can be expressed many ways though - it's in Miles's electric music, for example.
On the other hand, the blowing aspect... hate me, but I think it's overrated. I played gigs where I haven't played a single solo, and yet I was very excited to play and be a part of the groove machine, especially if there's no drummer. Seeing people going crazy and dance their asses off to my beat is far more exciting than have them sit and stare at my fingers. If you have to play a solo break, just do a chorus or 2 if its a fast tune, and shut up and play rhythm, which is a guitarist most important job to begin with. Horns do it better anyway!
Ultimately I like variety, lots of different gigs.
Swing guitar gigs are fun for me if I'm not just doing that. For a while that was the only type of gig I was doing, and it drove me up the wall.
Also, I miss comping.
Another aspect of it, there are bands who do things exactly like it's been done 100 years ago, keeping it a museum artifact. I' am not a big fan of that either. Mix it up, take the best elements, like loco rhythm of early jazz, and add something. In my case it's a blues, surf, and rock'nroll influence. I wanna do my own thing, actually I am doing it, just need to record it well. Juxtaposing styles is what I love the best, there is no limit what you can do and be creative.
Just listening to the Savory collection at the moment. There is of course a fantastic art to the Swing music of the 1930's. I have to say, I can't really bothered to listen to modern bands in the style, because are they as good as Ellington, Prez, Charlie C, Louis, Bechet, Django, Billie etc? No.
Even if you could swing that hard and play so good, you are still in the shadow of what's come before. Even if I did go down that road, it is basically impossible to play swing music with the correct instrumentation and volume level in most playing environments. What the audience want is basically rock and roll with the trappings of the jazz age. Not jazz.
I like Campilongo's stuff for instance, because there's a postmodern, retro modern, humorous vibe there. I sometimes reference that sort of thing a bit in my trio when I have my tele...
Bringing something new into it is the way forward. Good luck!
That's why I play in the Hot Club of Jupiter.Last edited by christianm77; 03-05-2017 at 07:46 PM.
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TL;DR the vintage Hot Jazz thing doesn't count IMO.
To be honest any type of instrumental listening oriented music that's not heavily funded and socially elevated like 'classical' is a bit of a niche thing.
World fusion stuff seems to quite popular ATM, though.
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Originally Posted by christianm77
I agree though, variety is important to a musician's mental health, I do love old soul jazz, groovy stuff, or blues, that sort of thing. It seems I don't have much talent for more heady types of jazz, i always feel like a fish out of the water when I have to comp for some tune for 10 min, basically just waiting for my turn to solo. I can do it if needed, but can never get excited about doing it.
You got a good thing going with the Jupiter, keep it up! My idea is adding more rocking edge to the music, my buddy who I play with calls it punk Gypsy swing, which is fair enough.
Here's a track we recorded last fall, I really hate my solo, it's pretty bad and not at all how I want it to sound, I tensed up or something... But the overall vibe is exactly what I'm going for, just need to perfect it:
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I like it. It sounds kind of ..... Eastern European .... to me? I like the slapback on the guitar.
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Originally Posted by christianm77
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Going by airplay, elevator jazz, no doubt.
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Originally Posted by Hep To The Jive
BTW in Douche Ambulance (as I like to call it) there seems ample opportunity for messing around with those opening chords on the D melody note. I may have to write an alternative arrangement bwahahaahaha...
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If you go to any jazz festival you will find that the most popular jazz today is "not jazz".
In fact you will be hard pressed to find any jazz being played except "not jazz".
So "not jazz" is the most popular nowadays.
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Originally Posted by Drumbler
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I'm surprised that no one has mentioned these guys.
At almost 9 million views, I'd say they're kinda popular.
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^^^
Pretty good for college music.
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Originally Posted by RonD
Don't see the appeal myself, but they are all great players.
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There's all this kind of stuff now:
Is it jazz? No, I don't think so. But it is certainly influencend by jazz and appeals to people who like complicated music with a rhythm/groove sensibility and soloing.
And it looks to the future, which makes me perk up my ears a bit in a time where most music seems to be imitating the past.
The hip hop/neo soul/jazz fusion stuff is big ATM, Kendrick, Flying Lotus and the musicians including Thundercat, and of course Kamasi Washington associated with that scene.
Personally, Kamasi's music I don't find terribly interesting, but I like Thundercat's stuff.Last edited by christianm77; 03-07-2017 at 06:48 AM.
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And this sounds like fucking Yes or some shit like that :-)
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Originally Posted by christianm77
Well, I shouldn't really like it, I was never a fan of 'progressiveness" in music, but I do like it! Actually like it plenty, both videos are great. Go figure, I'm confused now hahaha
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Originally Posted by christianm77
Kendrick's seriously overrated, imho. Pimp a butterfly is a bloated piece of junk.
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Originally Posted by RonD
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Originally Posted by Hep To The Jive
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Originally Posted by Hep To The Jive
WOW!!
I don't know which I admire most
1) The Thimble-finger percussionist
2) Wastub bass!!
3) Bullhorn vocals
So much fun/talent pure joy, thanks for sharing, and I loved the great eye-contact with the vocalist on your solo...
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Originally Posted by Papawooly
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Originally Posted by AlsoRan
I can't give you a straight answer as to the most popular form of jazz. Pop music doesn't exist anymore. Does jazz?
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Originally Posted by Stevebol
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Originally Posted by AlsoRan
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Originally Posted by Hep To The Jive
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