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Originally Posted by Donplaysguitar
Originally Posted by Donplaysguitar
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02-02-2021 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
So what you're saying this, right?
A 1930s Mr. Beaumont would be like:
Yo .. That Benny Goodman, Duke Ellington, Louis Armstrong stuff .. I mean it's ok, but just pizza .... Neoclassical modernism and minimalism like Erik Satie .. That is where it's at!!
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Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
Instead most people just can't play any instrumental music, jazz or no-jazz (or they only play the blues, which gets-old quickly, or they play rock that is mostly about the lyrics and playing around the lyrics). That limits any bonding, and I just love to meet people and make music with them when we have something musical in common.
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Originally Posted by Lobomov
I like jazz because I actually like it, but I never would have found it if I hadn't had the attitude of "everything on the radio sucks, I need to find my own thing."
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Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
Well .. worst case you'd get passionate about early 20th century classical music ... I could imagine worse fates
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Originally Posted by Lobomov
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Originally Posted by Lobomov
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Originally Posted by Lobomov
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Originally Posted by Donplaysguitar
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Originally Posted by Lobomov
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Originally Posted by 2bornot2bop
Up to somewhere in the 90s ... lol .. That actually ain't that bad
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I expected to hate this video (because I think Billie Eilish is actually kind of cool) but I think it actually makes some interesting points, and it is pertinent to our conversation here.
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Call me crazy but I think jazz is more popular than ever what with social platforms and such. I've seen and heard more jazz in the last 5 years than I had ever before. It could be that I have shown more interest?
Speaking of Big Bands, I am always drawn to Count Basie. There is just something about the arrangement of those songs..
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I don’t think you’re crazy, but I’ll bet if you spent just a little time searching the internet you would find there are a lot more people who like to have sex in furry animal costumes than you might have guessed before the internet.
I think it’s just easier to find jazz, jazz articles, and jazz fans now. But if being a fan means you buy the music and financially support the musicians, then the numbers show the jazz audience is shrinking, not growing.
Could be a million jazz fans out there in America (I doubt it). A million people on the internet seems like a lot to one person, especially if you’re used to just bumping into a handful of people in your real life who like jazz. But in terms of a proportion of the total music market, the number of jazz fans rounds down to zero.
Originally Posted by Beaubs
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I don’t know, but jazz is huge in Japan and parts of Europe. America, who cares, for America has never supported jazz even in the same respect as Europe. Thinking jazz should win popularity polls is backward thinking. It’s the only music I listen to except for some classical. Everyone has different tastes. Do your thing.
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Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
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I'm done trying to be hip to today's music. It gives me the blues. That's all it can do for me.
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The thoroughly miserable pop music of ten years ago is now being played in the supermarket.
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It’s not pop’s fault that jazz isn’t more popular. Pop provides better songs and experiences.
Here are two recent pre covid jazz experiences I had.
A concert in a hotel lobby. A musician from new york marketed as one of the most important acts today. He plays trumpet very fast. Every note is staccato. His head is red because of the effort. Every song is a staccato stream of notes. The lobby is full of people, I recognize 90% of them, they are regulars, the organizers and the organizers friends. And some jazz journalists. I hold out to the end of the first set but when the staccato trumpet starts again I bail.
A concert at the main jazz café in town. One of Sweden’s main jazz guitarists. He is an awesome player. Long fast bebop lines. It’s great but after maybe 20 minutes the song sounds exactly the same, did they change songs or not? 40 minutes later of this I’m so bored. And depressed that the artist is so good yet the music so noncommittal.
I can give a list of jazz artists that truly deliver every time. But the above happens SO often.
Compare this to any experience by Radiohead, Rammstein, Björk, Beyoncé, HER etc. You can actually tell the songs apart. No comparison really.
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Originally Posted by frankhond
I've said the same thing more than once too
I suspect that the death of groups that gig regularly and maybe even rehears probably is a big factor. Even if a song really need a solo from every single member of the group, what you lose is a sense of structure within the song .. Just 5 guys blowing at the top of their lungs in every tune.
I can give a list of jazz artists that truly deliver every time.
Yeah .. But many of them tend to be world class and thus tour with the same people for prolonged periods of time. Also being a group with supporting a main artist they tend to not adhere to the strict rule that every one needs to play a solo in every song. As a random example Metheny has been playing with Sanchez, Linda and Gwilym for quite a few years and they all sit out plenty of songs as solo players.
Metheny (and also someone like Sco) does cater to the not 100% jazz head part of his audience. There is going to be some out of this world blowing for 15 minutes (Question and Answer), short tunes without much soloing (He did Bright Life in a 2-3 minute version) and also tunes that are primarily about textures.
As I said before, I get it .. You need to make a living and just gigging with whoever has a gig is currently more profitable than trying to keep a group afloat.
Tho I'm not saying every group structures it's stuff nicely .. Seen many world class acts that delivered amazing concerts, but Ari Hoenig with Jonathan Kreisberg was a world class version of the bebop guitarist gig you described about. Just a constant assault with no remorse.
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Originally Posted by frankhond
Last edited by jazznylon; 02-04-2021 at 09:30 AM.
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02-04-2021, 09:01 AM #422Dutchbopper GuestOriginally Posted by frankhond
DB
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Originally Posted by Dutchbopper
Isn't Andreas Öberg far too busy writing K-pop to do bebop gigs?
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02-04-2021, 09:21 AM #424Dutchbopper GuestOriginally Posted by Lobomov
DB
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Originally Posted by Lobomov
@Dutchbopper I guess you were one of the regulars at that event :-)
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