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Ron Carter said in an interview that, as he has gotten older and more experienced, his practice time has distilled into two hours what he used to take more time with. I find Ron has some interesting thoughts about music and the business as well. Very fascinating.
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07-13-2014 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by henryrobinett
Like "job protection", maybe they figure that if a magician showed us all how he practiced his tricks, then no-one would go to the show. While that may be true about magicians, Jazz performers should see themselves as artists, not conjurers. If I know how much an artist (that I admire) prepares for their "show", even to the extent of having intimate details of what their preparation entails, then I'm likely to be even more inclined to "go to the show", any understanding enhances appreciation in this instance, not diminishes it. Well for me anyhow...
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10,000 hours is the equivalent of around 14 years of practicing two hours daily. So many kids who start around 10 years old are hitting it in their mid-twenties or so, depending on how hard they worked at music. I think for jazz and classical musicians that is about right for all but the very gifted or intense. In a video of a Magrew Miller interview on improvisation, he points out many, though clearly not all, of the finest jazz pianists today are trained as classical musicians initially or specifically in jazz programs. There are few Erroll Garners in the pantheons these days.
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Originally Posted by henryrobinett
I might say, "Man, don't go peeing down my leg. Nobody gets that good without practice. A lot of practice" But unless you're spying on a guy's practice, you don't know how much is practicing.
On a side note, why would someone want to say he doesn't practice? I have heard people say that due to the pressures of fame / publicity / travel, they have very little time to practice. I have also heard people admit that they're a bit lazy and don't practice as much as they should. I don't know why a serious jazz player would want to say he doesn't need to practice much. Is it just an ego thing? Like some kids saying they "never study" when in fact they do but want to seem like they're so smart they don't have to?'
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Originally Posted by henryrobinett
I had heard this of some blues players. BB King used to say he never practiced, but he was gigging 250-300 nights a year, so it's not like his fingers were idle much!
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Well BB King is a different story. He doesn't or didn't have the kind of high velocity chops that require a lot of refinement and maintenance.
Oscar I'm sure was one if those guys who practiced like a maniac as a child. But I'm sure he played constantly. His life was piano and he had a standard he had to maintain.
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I think there are any number of reasons people don't want you to know how much they practiced. I mentioned a few already. A lot of musicians like to be secretive about what they do. They don't want you sneaking up on them from behind. They want to create a mystery and want you to think they're just a genius. Sorry. I didn't know this was mysterious.
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Originally Posted by princeplanet
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Well, not is there always somebody better than you, but there's also always someone better who practices less. I think it can be embarrassing to admit how much time it takes to be at your current level. If someone says it sounds good and they ask how much practice it takes, I personally find it awkward telling them that it takes every moment of my free time.
Since my my current situation prevents mass amounts of guitar playing, I am not currently suffering from this high-quality problem of obsessive practice.
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Originally Posted by henryrobinett
I wonder what Bird and Diz said to each other after a recording session or a gig....
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Originally Posted by srlank
I think this would read better with an "only" between the 'not' and the 'is.'
"Well, not only is there always somebody better than you, but there's always someone better who practices less."
This could be a saying that a teacher uses with a student: "Not only is there always somebody better than you, there's always someone better who practices less. Practice anyway."
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Re Bird and Diz- I don't think they were slapping each other's backs. I think the story is similar. They didn't even like each other when they first met and played.
I don't see it as sad. I see it as truth and informative. We don't know how musicians are at this level too much. Glimpses are important.
When I was a kid I had dinner with Buddy Collette who was a friend of the family and childhood friend of Mingus. He was telling stories of Coltrane and Dolphy, both people he knew, and in the case of Dolphy, knew very well indeed.
He told me stories of what a sacrifice they made. They had no life beyond music. All they did was practice. He says, and I may have told this elsewhere, but Buddy and Dolphy used to practice together. One day Eric came by at 7 or 8 am with a big jar of honey. He said this is what he and Coltrane do when they practice so they don't have to take a break to eat. He ate the whole jar.
Collette said the practice from 8 to something like 1 or 2 when Buddy said he had to to a break. Dolphy kept going. Buddy got something to eat and came back 4 hours later and Dolphy was still at it bad continued the rest of the night.Last edited by henryrobinett; 07-14-2014 at 12:20 PM.
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I read in an interview where Charlie Parker said he practiced 10-12 hours a day when he was a young man. As he got later into his career, he didn't really need to practice anymore. Just gigging kept his chops up.
I heard from someone that lived upstairs from James Carter that he never practiced the way we think of practicing. He just goofed around making weird noises and played tunes, but he never shedded licks or transcribed solos or anything.
Pat Metheny said he used to practice so much that he would fall asleep with the guitar in his hands, and Christian McBride said that while he was touring with him Metheny would spend every moment of free time while folks were setting up for shows off in a corner practicing. Pat Metheny also has talked in interviews about how he feels like an incomplete person because he doesn't know how to do anything but play music.
John Williams said that he started playing guitar around 5, and was only allowed to practice 1/2 hour a day under the supervision of his father until he was in his late teens. Most singers are trained like this, as well, and professional opera singers almost never practice unless their voice coach is present. There might be something to be said for this kind of guided practice.
Just some added fuel to the fire.
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Originally Posted by henryrobinett
The reason I think that is sad is that if guys are so worried about their own flaws they can't hear (and commend) the excellence in others---and we're talking about great players here---it seems they've somehow limited their enjoyment of the music.
I'm surprised horn players opted for honey---wouldn't they be afraid their hands would get sticky? I would!
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Originally Posted by MarkRhodes
for myself, I'm kind of proud of my playing considering the age where I took it up, and
I'm kind of proud of the amount of practice I do, because I admire self discipline,
but.....I'm kind of embarrassed of my playing level considering the amount of practice I do! It makes me feel like I don't have a great deal of talent, so I have some understanding as to why a pro might want to understate the amount of practice he does. As a non-performing amateur, I'm comfortable admitting it takes a lot of work for me to get to where I'm at,
Mike
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High caliber players might have even MORE insecurities! Why do you think they might feel the need to practice so hard???
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Originally Posted by Mimbler
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Originally Posted by MarkRhodes
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Originally Posted by srlank
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As our colleague Pierre's signature says.... time on instrument ... call it whatever, you are practicing it.
adjective 1. actively working at a profession, ... 2. actively following a specific way of life ..., etc.: a practicing ...
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Originally Posted by Vladan
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