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Originally Posted by powersurge
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03-12-2019 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by emanresu
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Originally Posted by Tal_175
And my whole arguing is about them being closer skills than it seems at first.
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So, you listen a note in your mind, how does your vocal cords know how to tighten to produce this note instantly? Is there actual memory involved?
It's worth thinking about it this way and I'm just fed up with "move along, nothing to see here" attitude I guess.
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Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
I knew a woman (now deceased) who had perfect pitch. When she was young, I was amazed by her ability to sit down at the piano and play exactly what she'd just heard. She was strictly a classical musician, but I'd put complex jazz on and she'd hit it out of the park, limited only by how much she could remember at a time.
Fast forward 30 years...as she got older, her perfect pitch went out of tune (her doctors told her that the membrane in the ear had dried out), so that what she heard and what she played didn't match. Playing became disorienting to her and she finally had to stop.
I've known a few others with PP who were overly sensitive to pitches they heard in daily life.
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Originally Posted by emanresu
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It seems that the people that say perfect pitch is a curse are those who don't have perfect pitch. How can they know?
Let's hear about whether it's a curse or not from those who have perfect pitch. Anyone?
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Originally Posted by fep
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Perfect pitch is obviously no curse in itself. It may well be if you have ocd, or somehow imagine that only one concert pitch is tolerable. But that's more of an attitude/personality issue.
You'll find e.g. Jacob Collier playing around with different tunings, quarter notes etc, and having a really good time doing so. Even more colours at disposalListen from 4:10 here:
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Originally Posted by powersurge
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Everything Vai said can be done with relative pitch. Vai himself does not have perfect pitch. Memorizing chord voicings is not what perfect pitch is. AP/PP is something those without it literally can't "grasp" or "understand". The way they hear is fundamentally different than those without AP/PP. They can separate function from pitches/harmonies and hear them as their own entities, in abstraction. It's not just the ability to recall notes, it's a cognitive phenomenon. No point in arguing though, you will find out down the line.
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Originally Posted by Jason Sioco
Steve Vai:
"No, I don't have perfect pitch.
"I know a lot about it and I've tried to get it, but you can't. Perfect pitch - the potential for it is in [one in] about 30 to 50 people, and they've actually narrowed it down to a particular gene.
"But it could be developed intensely if it's there in early years. There's this guy Rick Beato, check him out and his son Dylan, I think he's 9 now.
"His degree of perfect pitch is so intense I didn't think it was humanly possible.
"He can hear double poly chords - meaning four chords in a row, and tell you every note and write them down. I can't do that.
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Originally Posted by Jason Sioco
Frankly, it's also a little off-putting to state that without perfect pitch you'll be forever "mystified" and confined to licks. Sounds like you just want a big pat on the back for starting to learn what most of us already know.
I'll be more than happy if/when you prove what your click-bait title suggests.
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Originally Posted by powersurge
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Originally Posted by MarketTomato
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Originally Posted by Lobomov
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Jason,
Quick comment, learning intervals is totally opposite to the Charlie Banacos method of training your ear. I've studied his method, via Bruce Arnold, for more than 10 years... I lost track of the time. His method is about the sound of a note(s) against a tonal area (a key, a chord, a cluster, etc.)
I agree with most people on this thread, perfect pitch may not help you become a better jazz musician. When I studied Jazz Performance in college (and was a terrible guitar player) I met great jazz musicians. Most of them didn't have perfect pitch. The musicians that had perfect pitch weren't necessarily the best jazz musicians in the program.
There's nothing wrong with relative pitch.
In fact, I'm right there with you with the obsession to train the ears. I've said this countless times before, you can devote your entire life to training you ear and you can always find something new to learn aurally. I used to keep a journal up on the Jazz Guitar Forum called Performance Ear Training. I really want to start it up again, but I'm not sure what direction I want to take it in.Last edited by Irez87; 03-17-2019 at 01:03 AM.
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Originally Posted by Lobomov
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Originally Posted by unknownguitarplayer
EI: Do you have perfect pitch?
CB: I did until a year and two months ago. And then it went instantly when I had some dental work done. I woke up from the operation, and I didn’t have it, so now I’m working on getting it back. I’m still a half-step off. I was a good maybe third off after I woke up after the anesthesia. Isn’t that horrible?
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Originally Posted by lammie200
I am getting some funny posts that I don't play guitar and that I am in the wrong forum. When I signed up in this forum years ago, I was studying jazz guitar with Roy Patterson at York University. Today, I am taking metal guitar lessons via Skype with Scott Marano. I am an avid guitar player. I not only collect chord voicings but I also try to learn a lot of guitar pieces as possible. When it comes to guitar, I believe in learning something new every single day i.e. new lick, new solo, new riff etc. I believe that the more repertoire I learn, the easier the next song will be to master. It just so happens this post is about Perfect Pitch.
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Originally Posted by DonEsteban
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Originally Posted by Lobomov
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Perfect Pitch and Relative Pitch Update: April 8, 2019 - Last week I only knew 54 chord voicings, this week I it went to 63. The reason why it ballooned up so much within a one week time frame was that my jazz piano teacher taught me brand new set of voicings that I will wallow for a while. Not only that I have used the loops of my daw to create exercises of determining a key of a song and quiz myself on it. For my relative pitch, I also created brand new exercises using my daw. I was contemplating of how to make the music that I have transcribed to fortify it in my memory. The idea just lightbulbed in my head and I discovered that I can make mp3s of isolated sections where there is a phrase or a progression of real music and fortify it in my memory for good.
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Originally Posted by Jason Sioco
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Originally Posted by Jason Sioco
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Originally Posted by Tal_175
What's happening at the end of this song?
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