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I said I agree with you. I even clarified and found your relevant posts. Now get AA to listen for f sake.
That's true. That's a good tool to use. Do you get my point though? You said you're looking for a method for chordal stuff. It ain't reharmonizing the tune. You simply work out voicings to the written chords that you can rise and fall with a melody note.
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05-09-2024 11:45 PM
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Then there are chords which are only partially altered, like 13b9's and Phrygian chords (7susb9). If I saw G7alt I'd have to assume a b13 and maybe a b9 or #9, but not a 13b9 or a 7susb9. Just saying.
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I think the big takeaways that are in what everybody is talking about is:
1. When comping, a note on the 1st or 2nd string is heard as a counter-melody, whether you like it or not
2. You can move that countermelody around interestingly without completely reharmonizing the tune. There's levels to it...simple to much more complex. Starting simple is fine
3. Vanilla ice cream kicks ass
So basically, just treat every chord as major, minor, or dominant, and figure out a way to play any note on top of any chord. Create countermelodies while you comp, and be interesting rhythmically. And then work with that for 5 to 25 years
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I think the big thing is still rhythm.
So many times when you transcribe stuff, it’s just way simpler than you’ve built it up to be, and I don’t think comping is all that different until you get to Herbie. There are always exceptions—Bill Evans, maybe—but listening for the rhythms and trying to hear where they’re playing the chord, and when they’re playing something in passing seems like the thing that makes a lot of this click to me.
Thats the part I’ve struggled with and had to work on (and still have the most work to do on).
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Jens Larsen has many videos on jazz comping. You should definitely check them out.
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hey... Allen... it does take work, but most guitarist put in much more time than it really requires... from never really finishing much and spending too much time talking about it...LOL
Here's another vid.... it think I have it together now for downloading and posting. I don't have that together...LOL
These are loose and I'm just pushing record and start.... so there are lots mistakes LOL.
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I've said this for decades...
2) learn chord patterns
learn how to adjust chord patterns to imply different targets
learn how to organize harmonically chord patterns within tunes and forms of the tunes.
1) This stuff is after you already have chords down, all of them and can play them anywhere on the fretboard... at least a few places.
3) And again after you have chords down, be able to play any note on top.
The top note is usually the most important, then the bottom and lastly the middle.
4) Now your actually ready, or have the skills to actually play, be able to apply your technical skill with musical organizations..
I use Functional organization.... Function is just how note react to each other and which notes have the Power in harmonic contexts... tunes and styles of playing tunes.
This is where the term Vanilla actually comes into play.... it's not just what to play... it's also what your implying.
And obviously... rhythmic skills helps make it all work when playing live.
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So what’s a chord pattern?
Do you mean identifying things like I vi ii V.
Or are you talking about changing two bars of D into something like
|Dmaj7 D6 |Em A13|
or both?
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Yea all of the above.
Think... I VI II V in maj changes to I bVI II-7b5 V7alt in nat. Minor ... basic nat Min tonal target. Not always,,, but for starting to understanding how Chord Patterns can adjust to different tonal Targets.
You still have and usually use subs within the chord patterns to help create forward motion, feel of repeat.
Where it becomes a little more complicated is with organization of extensions....
here's another vid... Perdido... it's again loose, I'm working around my house...LOL
I'll keep adding more tunes and start verbally labeling where I'm using chord Patterns etc...
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Originally Posted by AllanAllen
Tbh when I see that I just translate into ‘alt’ - which is probably not best practice in all situations lol
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