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and also they’re obsessed with 2-5
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05-21-2018 10:44 AM
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Yeah, there's original changes, there's accepted changes...I think the minor II V is pretty much accepted, if someone were to call this tune without warning on me, that's what I'd assume we'd play.
This just happens to be one of the situations where the original change--a diminished chord, sounds SOOOOO GOOOOOD...so when I play it myself, that's how I do it.
I'm going to have to try something way different this month, I think I've posted myself playing Stella here a dozen times already
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Originally Posted by ragman1
This is the original version of the tune. Arguably more of a through-composed piece than it is a "song". The first chord under the melody is indeed a Bbdim7 (or Db or E or G). I don't know the history of how it became an Emin7b5 in common repertoire, but I've heard many people attribute that to Bill Evans. Peter Bernstein has an explanation why it's really Bbdim7 here:
Bbmin11 works too [Edit: I meant Ebmin11 here]. That, Bbdim7, and Emin7b5 are all near-subs for each other and can work, as long as everyone knows what's coming. There are a lot of versions where there's no chord under the first couple of melody notes of the head, and where it slips very quickly into harmonic ambiguity (e.g., a couple of Miles Versions). All that said, most people I know play it as Emin7b5/A7, not Bbdim7
JohnLast edited by John A.; 05-23-2018 at 04:50 PM.
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Thanks for all your replies.
Well, the usual version is Em7b5 to A7b9 but I hear the Bbo in the film clip. So are you saying the Em7b5 and A7b9 are just left out altogether?
And what is Bbo with an A on top?
You also say Bill Evans may have introduced the Em7b5 (Em9b5), possibly to give it some movement.
I said I didn't care for the dim sound but I was playing Ebo with the A at the top so that probably explains it :-)
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Actually, that's strange. If you play Eo with an A - xx2325 - that's like an F#7#9...
which is the first chord I used in my own version - x98910x. Weird, I must have funny ears
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Originally Posted by joe2758
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Originally Posted by ragman1
John
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Originally Posted by John A.
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Originally Posted by PaulW10
One thing I find very fun about this forum is how there will be an involved debate over how to play one note in a tune.
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Originally Posted by ScottM
That was really great!
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Originally Posted by jazzdan
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Originally Posted by John A.
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Here is a version I did a few months ago, there are a more than a few reharmonized passages. especially the opening phrase. just trying to find new ways to play this lovely tune. And now to spend some time listening to the other versions which I'm sure will be time well spent.
all the best
Tim
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Originally Posted by TLerch
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Originally Posted by TLerch
John
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Originally Posted by John A.
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Tim, that was really nice!
Here's an attempt I recorded today:
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I've just got a new joke. Nothing to do with all this but I need to share it!
A woman is sitting at her recently deceased husband’s funeral. A man leans in to her and asks, “Do you mind if I say a word?”.
“No, go right ahead”, the woman replies.
The man stands, clears his throat, says “Plethora”, and sits back down.
“Thanks”, the woman says, “that means a lot”.
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Was it a sudden/unexpected death? Did he leave any children behind? What sad story
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Originally Posted by joe2758
In Stella (in Bb) at the Dm Bbm7 Eb(9) Fmaj7 part I prefer Dbdim for the Bb->Eb 2-5 quick change - it echos the "correct" first chord - Dbdim... which is nice if you didn't use it for the first chord. For example I kind of like Bireli's use of A13sus4 -> A(b13) for the first chord (still in Bb).
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Originally Posted by PaulD
John
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So in the key of E what chord would that be...thanks
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Can someone put up a chart of Stella in the key of E with the correct chords....thanks
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Originally Posted by jazzdan
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Does e dim have a d#?
RIP Nick Gravenites
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