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Okay here's an early version. I was working on this before this thread so had stolen a few ideas already...some are my own
Last edited by alltunes; 01-22-2018 at 09:21 PM.
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01-22-2018 08:31 PM
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here's my version, a bit rough because I had to use a pick because one of my nails broke so I cut them.
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Here's my second installment thinking out loud through this tune.
The guitar sound for some reason isn't so great--to boomy, which resulted from poor microphones placement vis. the amp. I hope it doesnt' detract too much.
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Originally Posted by alltunes
John
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oops sorry I guess I didn't understand the difference between "private" and "unlisted"..should be fixed now
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Great thread, now I just need to find a decent recording method, my Android isn't helping much.
By the way, I'm not a pro at all.
I think I should post something before I make any other comment - sort of price of entry - and that will probably take a week or two.
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Putting this first take out there, really more so I can listen to others...my kids are loud in this one, talking about TaTa's, which isn't anything dirty, its the local pizza place they love..
Anyway...days...of wine and roses
#c&cwelcome
Last edited by mr. beaumont; 01-24-2018 at 07:12 PM.
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Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
John
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I looked up the song and discovered it is really about descending into alcoholism and madness.
Not sure how best to express that on the guitar...
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Originally Posted by grahambop
John
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Royce Campbell was Henry Mancini's guitarist for about 20 years up to Mancini's death. Here is his solo performance of DWR. It's amazing that he has so much space, but it's also got a strong moving pulse. Lots of amazing ideas here.
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Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
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Originally Posted by lawson-stone
It was interesting, I hadn't played it in a long time...you can see there's one point at the beginning where I definitely almost stall out...and then it just came back, very easily. Some tunes are like that, I guess. Some are definitely not.
Anyway, now I'm happy I got one out there, so I'll go back and listen to the others, and then I'll polish mine up a bit (but not too much, I hate cutesy worked out arrangements!!!) and do some improvising.
One thing I find very interesting about this tune is the space in the melody...and if you play it like a singer, you don't have to start very many of the vocal phrases on the downbeat at all...you can actually get this thing going where it's in time, but has a "rubato" feel. I'm going to work a lot more with that this month.
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Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
John
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Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
Voicings etc:Last edited by matt.guitarteacher; 01-23-2018 at 03:29 PM.
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I agree, and maybe I'm not explaining myself well, but what I'm going to try is playing in time, but playing the melody freer. Gonna be some serious metronome work for me Really working the melody like a singer, playing with the time a bit, but not losing the underlying swing or adding/dropping beats...
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Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
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Well I had a couple of hours last night, so here is my contribution. My inclination is to try to refine it or get a clean take, but if I do that I probably will just never actually post anything. It will be a real challenge to do one a week, but I know I'm going to learn tons by doing it. Thanks for getting this started!
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Originally Posted by lawson-stone
BTW thank you also for your tips on the videos and for mentioning Screenflow. I'm going to check that out!
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Originally Posted by John A.
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I am so excited that the thread is taking off and people seem to really be enjoying themselves!! I think all the contributions have been really great. It's very cool hearing how everyone has their own take on it. I did work on my arrangement a lot before listening to most all of these so that I wouldn't be overly-influenced. I was thinking we may have a few more days before people started posting in earnest, but it appears the floodgates have opened! I just need how to remember to work my video camera and I will get something posted as well.
Originally Posted by alltunes
Originally Posted by nick1994
Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
Amazing Jeff!! What a delight to hear. Lovely and relaxing. Love your connecting lines and your accompaniment with and interplay with the melody. And your guitar's tone is beautiful. Wow.
Originally Posted by matt.guitarteacher
Originally Posted by rlrhett
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Originally Posted by matt.guitarteacher
John
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Originally Posted by matt.guitarteacher
John
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Originally Posted by matt.guitarteacher
I really, really enjoyed hearing you play this. It combined a nice swingy ballad feel with a periodic gypsy feeling that really shifted my mental image of this tune. Your treatment of the song is much more mature and developed than anything I've come up with, and I thought it was rich listening.
I also realized that I am likely playing the tune too fast. Sub-dividing as you've described is hard to do if the tune is going quickly, and I've tended to play it quickly because the first person I ever heard play it, when I got into jazz, was Bireli Lagrene! His "Standards" album made a huge impression on me and he plays that at a pretty brisk swing tempo, so that became my template. I see I'm missing a lot of potential doing it that way, so I think I want to slow it down and work the harmonic ideas better.
Thanks for this. I have enjoyed interacting with you on the forum, but hearing you play, and hearing how you process the choices of what to play, was both informative and inspiring!
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Originally Posted by lawson-stone
It's funny. I really developed this way of playing out of not having anything much interesting to play harmonically. When you create the time and space, it kind of begins to fill itself. Being honest, I've never been a "feel" player, not very soulful at all. What I'm doing is pretty mechanical, at least in the way that it originated as a thought process for me. It's pretty simple and I can break it down, if anyone's interested. Anyway, the slow thing is very related to kind of a blues/gospel feel, which is more in line with what I actually play most of the time. Jazz is just the hobby.
On a sidenote, the next subdivision "down", a slow double time, is where the REAL grease is. Listen to Wes on Misty. Painfully slow to my ears when I first started listening to it. Couldn't quite get my head around it, but I finally kind of "got it". It just gives him so much space, and he works it masterfully, in terms of phrasing and everything. Now it's one of my absolute favorites. To my ears, Wes usually goes more doubletime on ballads. Anyway, I've listened to too much Keith Jarrett trio, and they kind of LIVE up in that stuff.
Always enjoy your posts and videos, especially the Raney. I'm subscribed and usually catch the vids before I see them here.
Thanks again. All the best.
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