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Let's hear your tales, good and bad, from the bandstand about bandleaders.
To do and to don't.
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05-07-2024 02:51 PM
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The primary thing for a bandleader is fostering positive attitudes among the musicians and never criticizing someone before a performance. Bandleaders that pay their musicians in advance as they arrive for the gig understand this (and it naturally suppresses dusting things up before down beat).
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Paid before the gig! Are they paying out of pocket? I've only been paid by the venue after the gig.
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Blimey. I’ve been going about this all wrong.
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Back in my day as a professional musician before I retired and left the profession in 2020, the bandleader was usually whoever the person who organized the gig, gets the payment from the client that gets dispersed to us. There's all different types of bandleaders. Ones who were like drill sergeants and will micro manage everyone were initially a challenge to deal with, but once I learned to shallow my ego and follow orders with a "yes sir" and "affirmative sir" those sorts of gigs went smoothly. The great bandleaders always asked for the input of the entire band and created an environment where everyone felt comfortable chiming in. The few times I was a bandleader, I would just let the guys, usually bassists, drummers, and singers, I called play/sing how they play. I called them because they played/sing like themselves and that's who and what I was hiring. If I hired people who were a little less experienced, usually drummers who were heavy handed, I'd most I'd ask them would be to play quieter, or if my only option was a really heavy handed drummer, I'd say the gig was brushes only like Ahmad Jamal "Live At The Pershing".
The biggest duty of the bandleader was always paying the musicians under his command on time. In the scene I worked in, a bandleaders reputation could be destroyed overnight if he didn't pay his or her musicians on time.
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Seems to me there are two kinds of leadership.
One is on the business side and the other is about musical direction.
Around here, a lot of good players play jazz gigs for less than a living wage. Some of the bandleaders guarantee the sidemen a set fee, others do a split. Most don't take a leader fee unless the gig is relatively high paying.
In a situation where players are, in effect, partially donating their time, the leader organizes the gigs and needs to make sure everybody is enjoying themselves. Otherwise, the sidemen may not be available next time.
Organizing the gigs encompasses a bunch of tasks. Marketing, booking, checking out the venues, hiring the players, planning the sound reinforcement, preparing a set list, sending out charts (if necessary) and organizing rehearsals, if any. Also, interacting with the client. Sometimes it's managing egos, including your own.
Then, there's the musical direction. Sometimes that's easy, but sometimes everything is a discussion or an argument.
When the players are earning good fees, it seems to me that they should allow the leader to lead. If the fees are low, I have more sympathy for a sideman to voice an opinion about what they want to do - to an extent.
That's enough for one post.
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IME, the bandleader is the one who brings the power strip
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Side note:
One of the things you learn from playing in larger groups, e.g. octets to big band is that the experienced sidemen don't often voice opinions.
They know that if the dam breaks, everyone in the room will have an opinion and the session will grind to a halt.
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Wow, good stuff!
I have never function as a bandleader, indeed that's not my inclination anyway. As a sideman, I like it when the band leader is clear about what he or she wants and knows how to describe it effectively. If there are specific arrangement things, it's nice to have that clear before the downbeat. I appreciate getting paid promptly and with minimal fuss and muss.
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I only have stories of sidemen and bad venues since I have mostly been a bandleader since the 90s. Only did a couple gigs as a sideman for a short time. My only expectations are know the material, have good meter, have a good attitude/want to be there, be on time, and don't let drugs/booze wreck your chops. If can't do that I don't call you back. Most guys can't do that, they fail in one or two areas.. I don't really want to deal with guys who don't have table manners either and I also like people who answer their phones/texts and don't mind short notice work.
Originally Posted by AllanAllen
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Ok. Ok. I take this to another level. I took my tip from Duke Ellington on how to keep a band. Pay them. These days I rarely take a leadership fee. If so it’s to round off. It’s very important to me to maintain a band. I pay them a small monthly to rehearse once a week. I write the music and set musical goals. I get the gigs, record the band. Production keeps morale high so I want to keep the band motivated and excited about being in the band. I make sure communication is open but also that the guys don’t flake. Be on time and learn the music.
Big rule: what happens in the band room stays in the band room. Don’t talk shit about ANYBODY. But if we talk about each other or other musicians it NEVER leaves the band room. This is what tends to end bands. Talking shit behind others - especially about the leader behind his back. It’s just what people do. Talk shit about the boss. So I keep things light and fun. I’m a funny guy. Not at all serious so it makes playing with me easy. But those few times I’m driven to get angry the contrast is big and everyone stops. But I get respect because I respect everyone else in the band.
We don’t gig a whole bunch but we get paid pretty well when we do. No $50-100 gigs. Because we don’t play a lot we tend to sell out. Keeps the morale high.
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In Buffalo it was the drug dealer.
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I played and stayed for ten years in a leaderless rock band of brothers ...
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I think you have to be flexible. You might have a bandleader who runs everything. You might have one but everyone has roles to play.
There might not be a bandleader. I've never been one. I know it's not easy. I don't think I have the temperament for it.
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About bandleaders? Damn. Originally Posted by AllanAllen
A bandleader of a girl group on the west coast back in the 80's wanted to rob a bank. One of the other girls was into it and one wasn't. It was two out of three. Right after I caught wind of that a guy who'd come back from Japan offered me a gig there. He knew what the girls were up to and he was going to bust us. I was undecided. One guy in the rhythm section said they're serious.
I didn't want to go to prison so I took an offer for a gig overseas.
The bandleader didn't like me. It got complicated and it seemed he wanted to break ties with people running things overseas so he needed me. He knew I could handle it.
As I found out years later no bands were sponsored after us.
It's easy to call out bandleaders after the fact but what's the point? I'm a worker bee. You have to cut bandleaders some slack.
If they want to rob banks or take on major crimes syndicates in Japan I can find other shit to do next time.
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I got in a fight with a bandleader one time. It was a musician fight. Huffing and puffing. A test of strength. I was at fault. That was 40 years ago and I haven't been in a fight since then. It's not the way to go. Originally Posted by henryrobinett
I can't believe anyone would think this was staged;
That flat earth society must love it. Perry needs a rest. They had to cancel the tour.
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Not to be a party pooper but I think it's fundamentally wrong at least in my experience to talk about bandleaders this way. I've never been one but it can't be easy. Originally Posted by AllanAllen
They're the leader and will define their role. They might be the leader but they want to vote on some things.
You're still a band, leader or not. One bandleader called one bandmate a getover and another one stupid. I didn't say anything. Another bandmate thought I shouldn't trust the bandleader.
Despite all that we worked well together.
I tend to be the right hand man type but I don't want to gossip about bandmates with a bandleader.
One time we had a vote about taking a drummer with us overseas. He was on parole. The bandleader wanted a vote but he was one vote. He had been an army sergeant.
The guy on parole was a very good drummer. It was back in the stone age before everyone started carrying guns. He brought a gun to the meeting but said it wasn't for us. I believed him.
The bandleader asked him about it.
Two of us voted to take him with us. I did. Three voted against. The bandleader voted not to. My memory is hazy and it might have been two against with the leader having the deciding vote.
Band drama. Gotta love it.Last edited by Stevebol; Today at 03:25 PM.
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Band form attacking band leaders or anybody in the band. Help, not attack. It's a sign on insecurity and ONLY causes division and ultimately is the cause of breakups. The same for any group or relationship. In the last 7 years since I've instigated this rule, and as far as I know, members followed it, we've had almost zero problems. The ONE issue was when someone was caught talking shit about me. He thought it was funny, but it wasn't. Next rehearsal I laid out the ground rules again. Everyone understood and agreed. And an apology.
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I started the thread as a band leader to see what you hired types like and don’t like. So I can do my job better.
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