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Originally Posted by guitar1303
And while we're discussing this there are (probably) still cultures where kids become worth protecting only when they reach the age where they can help earn money. In the sense that before that, they're replaceable.
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05-03-2022 07:08 AM
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"But in my experience, children are used as a justification for all kinds of liberty diminutions. I have heard "but we must protect the children" used as a mantra to justify censorship many times. When it comes to diminishing the freedom of adults just in case the children are exposed to something, count me out. Using children as an excuse for censorship is weak." Stringswinger
Hi, SS,
As the Herd becomes more accustomed to the loss of civil liberties through, largely, ignorance and ambivalence, they walk slowly like somnambulates to their destiny of Big Government control over every aspect of their lives. Most people in the world live by the dictate of the "Path of Least Resistance." It's easy, convenient and they don't have to think. Remember, as Civilization declines . . . the Shaman becomes king.
Marinero
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Originally Posted by Marinero
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Originally Posted by ragman1
I can't read music for shit anyway.
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Originally Posted by Stringswinger
And then . . . we morph to a discussion of the 10th Amendment and States Rights as we have seen with the legalization of Marijuana and gun control throughout certain states in the US. However, I don't think the OP thought we'd drift this far . . . better to be discussed with a nice cigar and a single malt Scotch somewhere near the ocean.
Marinero
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Originally Posted by Marinero
I have weed at home. I don't think I've touched it in a year and a half. I might smoke a bit after I move to AZ in a couple weeks.
It tends to make me paranoid. I might try skunk.
The ocean. Yep. San Diego is only 2 and 1/2 hours from Yuma.
The pacific salt air is driving Americans insane. Careful with it. It's intoxicating.
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Originally Posted by Stevebol
Frankly, I find all this talk of eroding freedom silly. Sounds very good but it's nonsense really. Places like schools must always check on who comes in there. Freedom has nothing to do with irresponsibility. If it was your child and the school let outsiders come in without ID and something happened you'd be suing the ass off them!
Besides, I'd like to know what freedoms people mean. What do they want to do that they can't already? Or, in a lot of cases, that they're not already doing!
(I'm talking about the West, of course, not repressive, totalitarian states).
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Originally Posted by ragman1
Besides, I'd like to know what freedoms people mean. What do they want to do that they can't already? Or, in a lot of cases, that they're not already doing!
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You haven't answered my question. What do you want to do that you can't do now? Never mind other people we don't know about, tell me about yourself.
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Originally Posted by RJVB
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Originally Posted by RJVB
Note that I had a friend that was complaining, generally, about the same thing.
He has been a pot smoker for over 45 years. I got out some bud and told him that here in CA I have gained freedoms in the last few years.
In addition the main freedom (IMO) that Americans are losing is the right to control one's own body; i.e. get an abortion.
Is that something your concerned about? (because in most cases I have found that those complaining about loss freedom, are for laws outlawing abortion).
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Afterward, Part Deux
So it turns out the powers that be decided to waive the fingerprinting requirement just for lil’ old me!
They must be really hard up for a guitar player. Maybe I should hold out for top billing on the marquee?
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You alone or all the musicians?
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Originally Posted by ragman1
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Quite a thread, Jonathan! My takeaways: 1) Government never misses a chance to make money off us, even for a good reason, 2) That ol' not giving them an inch adage has stopped many initiatives that could have been helpful, and 3) My coworkers wife works on child protective services - many of you have no idea how many people only get turned on by children and use school activities to position themselves. 4) I am surprised they let you in without some sort of background check if there was any chance of you coming in contact with students.
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Originally Posted by AlsoRan;[URL="tel:1195956"
As for government making money, I suspect it’s just a matter of a severely underfunded school system trying to budget for security. For a contractor that stands to make a couple hundred grand renovating restrooms, maybe having them pay for their own background check makes sense. At the level of musicians for a high school musical, maybe not. One size doesn’t always fit all, but bureaucracies may not be cognizant of those distinctions. One more reason I’m happy to not be on a school board.
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Originally Posted by Jonathan0996
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Originally Posted by Peter C
I'm not in the mood to dress up a list of "all the freedoms I think I've lost" (and even less for getting into the mood that the undoubtedly required explaining will get me into), but I've already pointed out that it's mostly in terms of privacy. Or living without constant fear of the sky maybe falling down - I'm pretty certain that the more drastic covid-related lock-up measures wouldn't have been gobbled up so readily by the population without the preceding years of government fearmongering about terrorism. It's long been a hobby horse those bearded masterminds have been very clever in getting our own governments to do the work for them; spread some rumours about attacks being prepared and western governments are happy to oblige to terrify their populations a bit more, and erode those inacceptable freedoms.
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Originally Posted by Jonathan0996
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Originally Posted by RJVB
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Very funny... There's a reason I've preferred to go live almost off the grid where as far as I know the few video surveillance cameras hopefully do not yet run face-recognition software. So at this very moment there's nothing I'd like to do but can't - and you're not getting me to admit that I might have things to admit that I shouldn't be admitting online
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Well, there you go. Personally, I don't care about CCTV at all but there you are. I never think about it. They're not interested in ordinary people doing ordinary things. They're mostly used after an incident to get evidence. It's not an intrusion into our rights, blah, blah, it's security because there are baddies around.
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Originally Posted by ragman1
In the workplace:
1. cannot compliment a woman on what she's wearing
2. cannot touch a woman ever-- even inoffensively
3. cannot tell jokes that ANYONE could consider offensive
4. cannot yell at co-workers in anger
5. refer to a person by their race ie.) the Black girl that works in "Editing."
6. asking a woman if she's pregnant
7. yelling at an employee in front of other workers
8. joking or making reference to someone's age, height, weight, hair color, etc.
9. standing too close to a person
10. casually asking someone about their personal life
11. negatively challenging every remark a person makes
12. talk/argue about politics
13. express hatred/dislike for a boss or fellow employee to another person etc, etc.
These are just a few things one cannot do now in the workplace vs. 50 years ago. And, whether right or wrong, they not only change the nature of human communication in the workplace (and social life) but, also, potentially, are a basis for legal action against both the employer and the "offending" employee. And, the incentives are high as multi-million dollar settlements are frequently granted and,in some cases, can threaten the continuing existence of a business based on the amount of insurance they have to protect against these actions. One would have to go through life with blinders not to see the liberties challenged on a daily basis in our new, politically-correct, Big Brother world. Its origin is 50 years of PC/Marxist mantra that seeks to destroy the individual for the safety of the amorphous blob of the Herd. Power to the people, comrade!
Marinero
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CCTV: they claim it's only for security, but that's a vague and ever-sliding concept. And it's not like all the acquired information is guaranteed to be perfectly sealed against and protected from unsanctioned abuse.
Originally Posted by Marinero
But yeah, I've seen second-hand what can happen if a guy develops a perfectly honourable interest in a female colleague and more or less subconsciously (and rather naively) adjusts his lunch break to hers. The opposite is rarely a problem...
Here's something a little more directly related to the context. Back when I was that, very few people would have raised an eyebrow when a teenage boy had a steady girlfriend of 3-4 years younger (a rather common age difference in a couples, I'd say). Not even the day the boy turned 18. I have no idea how such relationships are seen nowadays when both kids are under 18, but the boy could probably be registered as a dangerous child molestor even if the 2 turned their relationship into something perfectly platonic on the eve of his birthday. This doesn't affect me, of course, but it does make me a lot more uneasy around kids and young girls in particular than I used to be.
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Originally Posted by Marinero
Having said that, I've seen most of those things done by others frequently...
These are just a few things one cannot do now in the workplace vs. 50 years ago. And, whether right or wrong, they not only change the nature of human communication in the workplace (and social life) but, also, potentially, are a basis for legal action against both the employer and the "offending" employee. And, the incentives are high as multi-million dollar settlements are frequently granted and,in some cases, can threaten the continuing existence of a business based on the amount of insurance they have to protect against these actions. One would have to go through life with blinders not to see the liberties challenged on a daily basis in our new, politically-correct, Big Brother world. Its origin is 50 years of PC/Marxist mantra that seeks to destroy the individual for the safety of the amorphous blob of the Herd. Power to the people, comrade!
Marinero
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