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Originally Posted by marcwhy
But seriously folks, my wife and I hoped at least one of our children would be a musician. Sadly, we got a drummer instead [kaching!]
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04-18-2022 08:07 PM
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Drummers are central to jazz in a way that guitarists envy and fear. Drummers are also in general better humans and more fun to hang out with than almost all guitarists most of whom should never be allowed to leave their practice rooms and inflict themselves upon wider society* a fact given eloquent voice in the pages of this very forum.
(I would say that you could let them out for gigs, but I do not in fact think this is necessary either)
You have to specify ‘drummer less trio’ in contrast ‘guitarless trio’ is just a jazz trio. Guitar is so marginal to jazz no one would think to specify it.
People who go on about how drummerless trios are better really need to meet some real drummers lol (though maybe they are too busy playing gigs with piano players**)
But I’m a drums fan, Drummers are some of my favourite musicians.
* I count myself in this category.
** pianists have similar problems to guitarists but are at least competent musicians
As Chet Baker himself said it, ’it takes a hell of guitarist to be better than haemorrhoids’Last edited by Christian Miller; 04-19-2022 at 02:28 AM.
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"** pianists have similar problems to guitarists but are at least competent musicians"
Pianists have more another problems.
There is not a good instrument everywhere, or it is not there at all.
Playing on the so-called keyboard is not it.
The guitar is simply more mobile.
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04-19-2022, 05:09 AM #29Dutchbopper Guest
Some people seem to perceive this thread as an anti drummer thread. That was not my idea. It's not about kicking out drummers or diminishing their role in jazz. It's about my personal preference. I prefer playing without one because:
- good jazz drummers in my neck of the woods are rare (amateur level/mediocre is the norm)
- it is better and nicer for my ears
- a good trio can swing as hard without one (swing is not in the instrument, it's in the player)
- the gigging opportunities are much better (venues - especially smaller ones - prefer the intimacy and low volume setting)
- the drummerless format is very well accepted over here (countless gypsy trios are out here proving it)
- I personally prefer the format because of the intimacy of the sound (lots of my favourite jazz music is drummerless)
- it's a classic format in jazz in the first place
That's it. Will I never play with a drummer again? Heck no. I will.
DB
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All I have to say is Hammond rulez.
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Originally Posted by Dutchbopper
I mean, there are more important rhythms and banging going on in such places
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Originally Posted by kris
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Originally Posted by Dutchbopper
In seriousness, the drumless situation with guitar playing rhythm was as you know the default set up for a piano trio I think until Bill Evans established the modern archetype. Playing drums on the guitar so to speak is fun.
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Originally Posted by nevershouldhavesoldit
Funny! One of my Chi-town buddies was a trumpet player who got all the good show gigs in the City for musicals and "star" traveling vocalists. One day at my place, we were talking about music and my son-in-law stopped by for a visit. I said casually, here's B . . . another musician. My buddy turned to me as B went to the kitchen to grab a drink and said . . ."He's not a musician . . . he's a drummer." That was the first time I heard that saying and you're, now, the second!
Marinero
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Originally Posted by Dutchbopper
I do hate having to bring raw meat to feed them on breaks, though…….
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Originally Posted by nevershouldhavesoldit
(That said, it is healthy that guitarists should know our place in the cosmic pecking order, which is somewhere above molluscs but below other vertebrates. Musically speaking, that is.)
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Originally Posted by Christian Miller
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Originally Posted by nevershouldhavesoldit
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Originally Posted by RJVB
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One of my favorite albums recently has been the Ahmad Jamal Trio, with Ray Crawford on guitar and Israel Crosby on bass.
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[QUOTE=Christian Miller;1193072]I suppose both drummers and guitarists like to speed up, so we have that in common.
Laugh-out-loud truth!
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