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11-20-2018 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Gitfiddler
I've been going to jams off and on since I was maybe 18 or so (I'm now somewhere north of 193 ...). At jazz jams, I don't think I've experienced cutting in the sense of people deliberately outplaying others in order to put them in their place or embarrass them. But I have experienced "vibing", which is more people assuming you suck and giving you the stink eye before the first note is even played, treating you like an outsider to the scene, and/or scolding you publicly if you don't keep up, that sort of thing. Cutting in the sense of competing, I've seen it between horn players, but because there's typically only one guitarist on the stand not between guitarists; it's typically relatively friendly, though, since it's usually among people who know each other.
I'd say blues is a slightly different story. There tends to be more ego and more of a silly "gunslinger" attitude. It's also more common for there to be a mix of good players and not-so-good players (who are often clueless about their limitations) and/or beginners. I've seen that lead to some less than friendly interactions, and attempts to play someone off the stage. Also, a sort of reverse cutting/vibing -- e.g., calling something other than a completely generic 12 bar shuffle (like a 10-bar form, or a "jazz" blues form, or Stormy Monday changes) and having people who can't hang with that get angry about it.
John
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i think it would be fun to have a video cutting contest on here. two people square up and take the same tune for a certain amount of time and record two choruses or something. then we vote. I guess you'd need some confidence to take part
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Originally Posted by christianm77
Laughed my arse off for a good 10 mins at that.
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Seeing how this is a jazz forum, calling Green Dolphin Street and handing someone a real book that doesn't require transposing doesn't strike me as cutting in the slightest.
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Originally Posted by joe2758
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i'd like to nominate anyone except for me to take on donnie osmond here
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Another cutting story, around the same time as when I got cut playing all the things in my previous post, I got cut playing yesterday's by a Canadian trumpet player who over heard me and my friend trying to figure out what tune to play when we were up next. He heard us say say yeah let's play yesterday's. Just to me and my friends luck we got on to the stand with him. You guessed it. He called yesterday's at around 240 BPM. Played great bop over it. It came to me. D minor pentatonic scale, my good old friend, we meet again.
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Originally Posted by joe2758
John
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John A vs. Donnie Osmond. Green Dolphin st. Head and two choruses. video due 11/27. FIGHT
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Originally Posted by joe2758
John
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Let's. Get. It. On!
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Originally Posted by coolvinny
I was invited to sit in with a smooth jazz band that also played contemporary RnB and Pop.
The keyboard player was being an ass from the start. None of the subsequent tunes were quite as challenging (for me) as GDS. As stated, I had never heard of the song. Once into it, I was able to find my way through that chart, but it was a challenge and a very stressful way to start a gig.
The performance was two 1 hour sets, and afterwards, I was told by the promoter that I did a good job. The rest of the band agreed, but the keyboard player remained aloof.
For me it was an intimidating situation, so maybe it wasn't technically cutting. I've seen worse...much worse treatment done to other guitarists over the years. What the experience did was motivate me to dig more into jazz standards, seek lessons and join jazz guitar forums to gather additional insight. Unfortunately, egos get in the way in the latter, and a few dismissive comments detract from otherwise constructive commentary. Its all good. This is still a great forum and a decent discussion of a behavior (cutting) that guitarists might experience during their journey into playing jazz.
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Originally Posted by cosmic gumbo
Btw a friend of mine from Russia sent me a link to a show called Guitar Battle, apparently it's a thing now over there, they do the whole show with judges and stuff, two guitarists battle in 3 rounds. It's weird and stupid, but entertaining kinda.
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Just trying to give you a reality check in efforts to help you, but I give up.
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Originally Posted by John A.
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You do realise it's important to have zero taste or musicality in these examples? Just NOTES. Lots and lots of NOTES.
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Originally Posted by don_oz
Sheesh. Kids today ...
- Marie
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What about 'I will crush you like a bug?'
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I kill you with my jazz
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Originally Posted by John A.
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Originally Posted by joe2758
- Wojo
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Originally Posted by John A.
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To me, "cutting', short for 'cutting contest' has always referred to a line of soloists, usually all on the same instrument, trying to outdo each other in the eyes (ears?) of the audience and/or fellow musicians. A bunch of trumpeters reaching for higher and higher notes, a bunch of saxophonists trying to pack as many notes as possible into a bar of "Cherokee, up a half step each chorus".
There are certainly challenges, and potential for conflict, when you have folk with different repertoire, experience and ability sharing a bandstand, but I don't know if there's a particular word for it...
PK
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It's always fucking Cherokee. (Cos it's not actually that hard. UNLESS you are bass player.)
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