View Poll Results: Backing Tracks for live gigs
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EOE, any professional high level musician would have examples of their playing they wouldn't be embarrassed to share. You pulled the same shit with me in another thread. No one is bothered by being on your ignore list. Similarly no one is impressed by you making a living with music. I've seen people playing to tracks in senior centers or at casinos that I would not aspire to. If you have such a problem running a band you probably are not good enough to attract quality musicians. Seriously, there are so many killing musicians today that if you can't find a drummer and bass player its on you.
Last edited by drbhrb; 03-06-2015 at 12:54 AM.
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03-06-2015 12:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Stevebol
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Originally Posted by EOE
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I'm beginning to feel like I've gone back to middle school.
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Shouldn't be too surprising--you're in the company of musicians, Kirk, middle school is where most of us tuned out.
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Originally Posted by EOE
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Originally Posted by EightString
You're giving singers a bad name 8. Maybe you'll come back after a little attitude adjustment.
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I know I had exited the thread, but I'm popping in to say "thanks" for pointing out the bad link in my profile. I had shut down and relinquished that site years ago and never got around to updating here.
Carry on.
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03-06-2015, 06:23 PM #109destinytot Guest
Originally Posted by EOE
What I found telling about mourning were its sobering connotations of grief and sorrow.
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lolol Des that is why I did not put you on ignore when I went back and found my misspelled word I got it...hey I skipped a lot of days in high school to go play with blues cats.. and in college my girlfriends wrote my essays for me. I spent all my time playing music. that piano bar was tough. o I know my written English is bad .
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I'm curious - as an improvising musician - what's the appeal of having just backing tracks? Though I don't agree with them I understand the practical reasons (financially easier, space considerations, etc). I'm curious though for the small group of people who legitimately prefer it for musical reasons.
Why? What's the reward of improvising a solo of something that's static and not reacting to you and prodding? What's the payoff? Legitimate question because for me the prodding and interaction IS the payoff. I don't feel good about playing two choruses and running out of ideas and landing pretty when I'm playing a trio gig or something. It's about playing in a way that engages the musicians. That's what's important for me. What is the personal reward of using tracks instead of musicians (again as a matter of choice not as a matter of logistics)?
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Originally Posted by pamosmusic
Young people should go ahead and use tracks because they already play like old people. That's not a compliment but they probably won't get it. Does that make any sense?
I spend too much time here. This site is turning me into Yogi Berra.
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well ok for me it is difernt if I am playing bass or guitar...I do not solo on the bass with backing tracts because I really want to lock in with the drums and take syncopation to some kind of new level...guitar I want my band locked in and playing the music as it is written I do not want any surprise notes that may clash with where I want to go with my improve. I have written or arranged it the way I want. I want them to stay In the pocket...the backing tracks I use I can adjust the instruments and I am buying recording gear so I can modify and make my own. so really playing with a band or baking tracks is the same except tacks make fewer mistakes and with a band I will brake out my bass....understand I was skipping school at 16 and jamming with blue cats. I enjoy jamming but my original project is show not a jam. and my backing track gig is more like your dayjob.. I enjoy getting lost in my solos , working on my chops... I get paid to practice........I do nothing but improve with backing tracks.. I know or read the melody. play it a few times but 90% of each tune I am improving just making stuff up. hay man I am 55. I can improv all day. well I do lol
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Richb edited the above post to take the meanness out.
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Originally Posted by henryrobinett
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The Jazz Guitar Forum: "A friendly place to discuss all things jazz guitar."
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I'm selling out. I've had it I'm going to use tracks. Midi for pop and R&B. Backing tracks for so called 'jazz'. I have to stop improvising and that's going to be tough to get used to. Can't say I earned it. I don't believe we earn anything but I'm old now.
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Originally Posted by pamosmusic
youtube coleman hawkins body and soul - Bing Videos
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Originally Posted by MarkRhodes
Last edited by pamosmusic; 03-08-2015 at 10:59 AM.
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Originally Posted by OldGuitarPlayer
Wow man ... thanks for that. That's beautiful. Also it's nice to put this discussion in some real world context. A vs. B
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03-08-2015, 10:59 AM #121destinytot GuestI'm curious though for the small group of people who legitimately prefer it for musical reasons.
It's about playing in a way that engages the musicians.
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This was posted in a thread about Whiplash a couple days ago
The Drum Thing, or, A Brief History of Whiplash, or, "I'm Generalizing Here" - Do The Math
I hadn't seen this but I've read Ethan Iverson's blog occasionally. It's outstanding. He's very opinionated but very level and objective and gives the floor to some of his colleagues to write dissents to his posts and posts them as responses. Very very cool. For those of you who may be unfamiliar Ethan Iverson is a pianist and founding member of the Bad Plus as well as a pretty well-respected music critic and amateur jazz and music historian.
The post above is well worth the read for any number of reasons. I also think it's oddly applicable to this thread and I'm curious if anyone who reads it might agree.
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If I pay to see a jazz musician, I do NOT expect to see backing tracks being used. Quite honestly, I believe that the calibre of jazz musicians I get to see here in the south-east UK would totally screw up their reputation if they were seen using backing tracks. And I am just talking about people I can see in local small jazz clubs and pubs, not in the Royal Albert Hall or something. I am talking about people like Jim Mullen, Peter King, Nigel Price, Simon Spillett, Andy Sheppard and many others. These are real jazz musicians who appear regularly in small venues in the south-east.
If it was a restaurant gig, that's a bit different, because I paid for a meal, not the music. If it turns out there's a jazz guitarist in the corner with backing tracks, then I wouldn't mind that so much. I'd accept it's a completely different scenario.
I have seen two jazz guitarists (John Etheridge and Paul Malsom) who used a looper. But they only used it on one tune, they explained to the audience beforehand that they were using a looper, and they recorded the loop backing in real time before soloing over it. Paul Malsom used it very creatively, he played a Gil Evans tune (Hotel Me) and built up 2 loop layers which he then added a third improvised part over.
Again I don't object to that, but I think it would get tedious if they used loopers on a lot of tunes.
As for Coleman Hawkins and Body and Soul, it was a REAL band with REAL people in it, playing live behind him in the studio. That's still way more interaction than a backing track.Last edited by grahambop; 03-08-2015 at 11:47 AM.
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Originally Posted by henryrobinett
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Originally Posted by destinytot
My only question is...did you and the bass player at the restaurant gig split the $2000 fee like our friend EOE makes at every gig he plays with his drum machine?
....sorry I can't resist...:lol:
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