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    You're absolutely right that music was more advanced back in the day because that's what the 'market' paid for. The kings' court and such. It's fascinating to me that we still have talented pop musicians making somewhat emotionally impactful music. But it's filtered. I miss the old way where the artists played exactly what they meant and the market supported it, and society enjoyed it. Oh well, it's never going back. Fortunately, the grass roots styles of music still continue on, only not as popular forms in society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clint 55 View Post
    You're absolutely right that music was more advanced back in the day because that's what the 'market' paid for. The kings' court and such. It's fascinating to me that we still have talented pop musicians making somewhat emotionally impactful music. But it's filtered. I miss the old way where the artists played exactly what they meant and the market supported it, and society enjoyed it. Oh well, it's never going back. Fortunately, the grass roots styles of music still continue on, only not as popular forms in society.
    I think it is also important that 20th century was a century of pop culture and originally it was produced by America (and I understand why) and it gave a unique possibility for rare talents to express themselves in pop culture.
    It was great and we got used that there were The Beatles and Chaplin, Elvis and Disney... that really mass culture can produce masterpieces.
    But the problem of pop culture is that it cannot last long or form a school and tradition.
    And that is what we have now... it is exhausted and it becomes what it really is ... a mass entertainment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonah View Post
    I think it is also important that 20th century was a century of pop culture and originally it was produced by America (and I understand why) and it gave a unique possibility for rare talents to express themselves in pop culture.
    It was great and we got used that there were The Beatles and Chaplin, Elvis and Disney... that really mass culture can produce masterpieces.
    But the problem of pop culture is that it cannot last long or form a school and tradition.
    And that is what we have now... it is exhausted and it becomes what it really is ... a mass entertainment.
    It's about generations. Born in the late 50's a lot of us were flashy. Music videos, dancing. Acting weird. We're 'younger' boomers. GenX turned literally everything upside down. Music became something based on street logic. Millennials turned rap into a source of comedy They're technical. They break things down to a science in music.
    Now it's Gen Z's turn and women are leading the way. Cardi B, Billy Eilish, Olivia Rodrigo.
    It's just pop music but there can be moments of brilliance.

    This thing with 'entertainment' has been going on for 35 years in pop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Will St Peter View Post
    No way. Too many guys work their tail off to be overbooked by someone with a backing track. I get why one would consider this but it hurts the musicians and any music scene one is in.
    If it is that easy to replace a musician by a backing track . . . .
    Well, the musician was in trouble to begin with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel_A View Post
    If it is that easy to replace a musician by a backing track . . . .
    Well, the musician was in trouble to begin with.
    We do not talk about top of the market... of course Scofield or Benson would not exclude a musician from the band bacause of that.

    Or middle segment where they would consider efficiency but would not sacrifice music.

    But as we speak about bottom of the market - the biggest area - where musicians struggle for every buck.... they would easily substitute even good bassist or drummer if they can emulate them with backing tracks, or pedals and drum machine and they can live with decrease of musical quality

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonah View Post
    But as we speak about bottom of the market - the biggest area - where musicians struggle for every buck.... they would easily substitute even good bassist or drummer if they can emulate them with backing tracks, or pedals and drum machine and they can live with decrease of musical quality

    Market? Which market? I guess some would like to call themselves musicians where in fact they are just hobbyists who charge money every now and then.
    Besides that: every bandleader knows that bringing more musicians means more paychecks to pay. Hence . . . smaller bands. Having a hornsection means your doing good. Replace a hornsection by one sax/trumpet and a keyboard, and it means you're doing not so good. Leaving out the one horn, it means . . . . . Well fill in teh blanks.

    You are making it sound like there is a crisis going on. We have the corononacrisis, a housingcrisis, a political crisis and above all there is a crisis in musicianmarket: they are replacing bassplayers with backingtracks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel_A View Post
    Market? Which market? I guess some would like to call themselves musicians where in fact they are just hobbyists who charge money every now and then.
    Besides that: every bandleader knows that bringing more musicians means more paychecks to pay. Hence . . . smaller bands. Having a hornsection means your doing good. Replace a hornsection by one sax/trumpet and a keyboard, and it means you're doing not so good. Leaving out the one horn, it means . . . . . Well fill in teh blanks.

    You are making it sound like there is a crisis going on. We have the corononacrisis, a housingcrisis, a political crisis and above all there is a crisis in musicianmarket: they are replacing bassplayers with backingtracks!
    I would always opt for live musicians on gigs where the budget allows. Always. Greed is unacceptable. However, there are lots of gigs, i.e. senior facilities, small cafes and restaurants where neither the budget nor the space allows for more than a solo act. in those conditions, my home-studio made tracks keep me employed on the local level. When I use tracks, the only criticisms I ever get are from other musicians, and they never pay to get in, so I never worry about what they think. they're always eager to accept a gig from me, though.