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Originally Posted by hot ford coupe
The interesting thing about Ron Odrich is that he wanted to be a dentist; it wasn't that he couldn't cut it at music and went into something else. In fact, he says in the interview that his father and brother told him he should only pursue music. His drummer is also a doctor. You're right, there are many folks in other fields who are gifted musicians. And I see you are from NYC originally (I was born in NYC and raised in the burbs); Odrich is a major periodontist with an office in the high rent district. I think it's awesome that this man can do both and do them well.
I wish I could; I'd fix my own teeth so I could have a smile like this:Last edited by paynow; 03-05-2011 at 10:43 AM.
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03-05-2011 10:33 AM
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I think there is a subconscious phenomen which is very common. I always see prices and price relativity in terms of my first paycheck. If something seemed expensive back in 1972 when I worked construction for $80/week, I still think of it as expensive.
USA-made guitars are a perfect example. In 1972, we had tariffs and import quotas because we had a viable Australian guitar industry. The cost of currency conversion back then was absurd. All these things changed in the 80s. I can buy a Strat now in the same price range as Ibanez.
My limit for a guitar is actually quite high, even though I'm on disability pension. I calculate my limit as: if I sold all my existing axes and spent the cash on one nice guitar, I would be around the $6K mark. I've been playing for 40 years so I know that $6K guitar would get played, probably for 20 years. 20 years of pleasure for $6K is really quite reasonable. (less than $6/week)
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Originally Posted by hot ford coupe
80 grand on guitar is not a waste if you sell it in five years for 150.
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Anyone who takes up jazz with the idea of making big money should have their head examined by a qualified physician who will charge them a fee which will enable said physician to purchase a top end Gibson Hollowbody guitar.
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Hey SSS. You got exactly what I mean.
Another point I thought about. I used to get ticked off myself when I saw how much guys like Scott Chinery and Akira Tsumura accumulated. I said how dare they take all those great guitars out of circulation so I couldn't get one. Then I realized that they were doing the archtop a great service. They were preserving the greatest guitars in history just like a number of violinists and collectors are preserving all of the Strads, Guaneris and Amatis that are revered. Can you imagine what would happen to so many of those instruments if they were extensively gigged? They'd get destroyed like so many guitars I see in pawn shops.
Hey paynow. You've also made some great points. You've got to know what you're getting into when you choose a profession. It's no fun getting big surprises. Just like Ron Odrich, I wanted to be a dentist all along. I always knew that being a jazz musician wouldn't really get me where I wanted to go in life. I was originally a bass player while I was going to school and used the gigs for extra cash until I graduated. I wasn't a periodontist. I was a prosthodontist. I worked closely with the periodontist. After the periodontist got done cleaning up the damage, I did the reconstructions.
Hey Banksia. Your last statement tells the same story as mine. My D'A gets played no less than 16 hours a week and it's total pleasure. When I play it (I play mostly standards from the late 20's to the early 50's) I can see visions of the big bands, the studios, the dancehalls, the great nightclubs and playhouses where my favorite music was played.
Aristotle, you made the strongest point and I stand corrected. I meant to say if I spent $80 balloons on a guitar, my wife would waste me.
Finally Drumbler. You speak the musical truth, man. Thanks for that thought. It's great.Last edited by hot ford coupe; 03-05-2011 at 07:22 PM.
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Originally Posted by hot ford coupe
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Now that we can handle. Let me go down to the city hall, we'll pull a couple of building permits and as soon as we get some building materials we can start.
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Originally Posted by hot ford coupe
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Originally Posted by Aristotle
They can't recognize great players? Let's look at some of their players past and present; Martino, Bruno, Oberg, Pizzarelli, Johnny Smith, Alden, Grapelli, Wayne, and many others.
Further, they don't do signature models as continuing production runs anymore. The only current signature model that i know of is a one-off. But what if they did?
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Originally Posted by fumblefingers
Did he ever work for Nike, because someone over there was genius enough to figure out Michael Jordan's name could help sell sneakers.
Aristotle, you made the strongest point and I stand corrected. I meant to say if I spent $80 balloons on a guitar, my wife would waste me.
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Originally Posted by paynow
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Originally Posted by hot ford coupe
How many teamsters does it take to screw in a light bulb?
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Originally Posted by hot ford coupe
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Many yrs back I was just getting interested in used vintage acoustic archtop gtrs. One could find a nice L-5, Gretsch, Epiphone or sim, save some $ and buy it eventually. Then collectors got into the game and prices shot up for vintage instruments. It then made it a lot less affordable to get these same gtrs. Made to tougher for us to afford nice axes. Just a point on affordability of jazz gtrs
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Originally Posted by bahama
so, everybody else should have waited to buy theirs until you got yours eh?
boo hoo.
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Originally Posted by Aristotle
why so angry and cynical?
those players don't have to buy Benedettos you know. further, i can tell you from reading many quotes that most are proud as heck of their guitars, and they love, love, love them.
but lets back up. how well do you know the folks over there?
1. do you own one of their instruments and do you have a beef, or
2. are you just some anti-capitalist, or
3. are you just one more of the "all guitars over my price range are crap and only for rich assholes" crowd?
i'm going with #3.
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Originally Posted by fumblefingers
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Originally Posted by fumblefingers
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Originally Posted by fumblefingers
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The most expensive guitar I almost bought was a $150,000 Martin D45 from 1940. I was in Gruhn Guitars and my wife bumped up against it and amost knocked it over. Good thing she had fast hands and I didn't have to buy it. Too bad I didn't have a clean pair of shorts to change into at the time. Fortunately, nobody saw it happen. That was what you call a close call.
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Originally Posted by hot ford coupe
average players? i think you mean average income. to an earlier point, the people who can afford these are typically average players, very average. because they do something else for a living.
besides. so what? average players number in the millions! vintage Gibsons, Martins, Fenders custom archtops etc don't. there aren't enough to go around.
i maintain, some here are complaining about supply and demand.
whyzat?
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Originally Posted by hot ford coupe
no. firstly the comment was made by another poster, not you. secondly it was referencing the Benedetto company, not all companies. not Gibson or Fender. Benedetto's signature players have always been jazzers. that means that they are all obscure in the grand scheme of things, even the bigger name jazzers.
they don't have any "really popular" names. (put another way, they don't have Benson.)
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Originally Posted by Aristotle
and why did you say that he would tattoo a big name player's name on his ass? especially in light of the fact that his new company has issued a policy of discontinuing signature guitars.
why the cynical attack?
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Originally Posted by fumblefingers
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Originally Posted by fumblefingers
1979 L5 CES - Sweden ~$7k
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