Classical RH Technique

[ksjazzguitar]

Originally Posted by fumblefingers

you would be a better fingerstyle guy too, using classical RH technique as opposed to jazz - which is defined as "whatever the F you can cook up to get by with."

Really? I'm finishing up my MA in CG and I find that I prefer to use jazz technique for jazz and classical technique for classical. I really don't consider by solo jazz RH technique as "whatever the F I can cook up to get by with."

Originally Posted by fumblefingers

jazz is street. never forget that.

Peace,
Kevin

[fumblefingers]

Originally Posted by ksjazzguitar

Really? I'm finishing up my MA in CG and I find that I prefer to use jazz technique for jazz and classical technique for classical. I really don't consider by solo jazz RH technique as "whatever the F I can cook up to get by with."




Peace,
Kevin

no. there is no such thing as jazz right hand finger style technique! not in the standard sense. i said it right the first time.

[fumblefingers]

backing up a bit. the earlier post by Ron regarding Lenny B was not a complete thought or statement.

if the point was - "gee, he was good on nylon strings and wasn't a classical player" (and if he was trained on classical technique) then that would be an inadvertant example of agreeing with my point.

(for review - my point was/is that classical right hand technique is the superior finger style technique).

but if the point was - "gee, he was good on nylon strings, so good in fact that he played on par with classical masters" (and he used his own home grown technique) then that would be false.

all i can tell about the guy is that he was very versatile. (and he could improvise, which is not part of the current discusssion). he played fingerstyle quite effectively for what he was attempting. and he seemed to have some classical background, however limited.

more than that, i am not sure what was being claimed by Ron about his playing.

[ksjazzguitar]

Originally Posted by fumblefingers

no. there is no such thing as jazz right hand finger style technique! not in the standard sense. i said it right the first time.

Then what was my teacher teaching me all those years ago. He wasn't a classical player and it wasn't classical technique.

Let's try to break this down. It was finger-style RH technique. He was a jazz teacher. I was a jazz student. He was teaching this RH technique to me on a jazz guitar and playing jazz music. It clearly wasn't classical technique.

But for some reason, you declare, "there is no such thing as jazz right hand finger style technique."

Is it because it is not standardized? So what, neither is CG technique - there are still arguments about hand position, whether or not to use the pinky, etc.

It's still technique, even if it isn't written down and standardized.

Peace,
Kevin

[oneworld]

hey kris, good to see you're playing a frameworks guitar !
i play a few myself... have you met frank krocker ?
nice playing, btw... which synth did you use ?

Originally Posted by kris

I play fingerstyle solos on my nylonstrings guitar.
Regards
Kris

YouTube - Kanaal van karasek52

[kris]

Helo,
I have contact with Frank /mail contact/.I have not met him yet.
I use old Roland GR-09,Vovox cable ,Aer CompactXL amp,Boss effects.
I heard that new Gr-55 synth is great.
Thanks for nice coments.
Greetings from Poland.
Kris

[oneworld]

an interesting alternative to CG RH technique is the technique which is being
used in early renaissance lute music which developed out of the plectrum (feather) technique employed by late medieval lute players. these days this is being taught systematically... here's a good example by Paul O'Dette, who is teaching at eastman in rochester.

YouTube Video

[Dad3353]

Originally Posted by kris

I play fingerstyle solos on my nylonstrings guitar...

Good evening, kris...
You do indeed..! Excellent stuff, very refreshing, knocks a bit of the stuffing out of the sometimes traditional views on 'jazz'. The drummer kicks hard; very tasteful, pushing at some times, pulling at others. Hat's off. I've only very rarely been 'blown away' by a bass solo, here's no exception; perhaps a bit low in the mix in general to appreciate. It's not his fault, just a question of taste.
Anyway, I just wanted to say 'Thanks' (to all the group...) for a breath of fresh air. Hot stuff..!

[fumblefingers]

Originally Posted by ksjazzguitar

Then what was my teacher teaching me all those years ago. He wasn't a classical player and it wasn't classical technique.

Let's try to break this down. It was finger-style RH technique. He was a jazz teacher. I was a jazz student. He was teaching this RH technique to me on a jazz guitar and playing jazz music. It clearly wasn't classical technique.

But for some reason, you declare, "there is no such thing as jazz right hand finger style technique."

Is it because it is not standardized? So what, neither is CG technique - there are still arguments about hand position, whether or not to use the pinky, etc.

It's still technique, even if it isn't written down and standardized.

Peace,
Kevin

my point is moot. it doesn't matter that i'm right (which i am). playing classical right hand technique with one's fingernails on a steel stringed instrument with close string spacing is a non-starter.

peace out. please enjoy these impressive young people (who are not famous)


the last 5 minutes or so if this first one are special...

http://klru.org/incontext/classical.php


http://www.guitarfoundation.org/drup...-showcase/2010


http://www.guitarfoundation.org/drup...-showcase/2009

[safira218]

Originally Posted by kris

I play fingerstyle solos on my nylonstrings guitar.
Regards
Kris

YouTube - Kanaal van karasek52

e, but I remember thinking it wa such a great piece of music that he ought to have the decency not to play it so sloppily.


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