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Originally Posted by Jimmy Smith
See, the thing is that if I thought I knew something and found everyone was disagreeing with me, I'd go back and check my facts and repost. Then if everyone still disagreed with it, and I was sure I'd got it right, I'd maybe post a few more times and then leave it. Just shrug and think too bad.
But you don't. You turn on people, accuse them of twisting, lying, misrepresenting, and insult them. So the question is why, isn't it?
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04-01-2023 02:32 AM
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Originally Posted by kris
We've come all this way. You can't turn back now.
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Originally Posted by kris
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I think he's already done it. We've gone from 27 to 24 pages. It's a miracle. We should all do this moire often. Self-elimination, very healthy.
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Two more pointless arguments and we would have reached 600.
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Originally Posted by kris
Originally Posted by ragman1
You ask why this thread and why the battling? I thought about it and my goal isn't to battle the whole internet. But I frequent here and I don't have to put up with constant disinformation and hostility when situations come up like how Bird used theory, or when I make a hypothetical theory thread. It's not my responsibility to concede to falsehoods, it's aggressors' responsibility to drop it and behave rationally, otherwise it's destructive to the forum.
Some tenets that I've always stood by and which are true:
- theory is only helpful when balanced with ear and not implemented to the exclusion of ear.
- the definition of theory is any information used to explain music other than music itself.
- theory and ear work in parallel, so if you've absorbed enough theory and it's no longer of benefit to you, you can just go focus on ear and other topics. It will never be a detriment.
- theory is best applied in musical ways, rather than tried to be applied in its raw forms.
- I'm taking lessons with a great and he uses theory. I also asked him if most of his peers use theory and he said yes.
- on the whole, the greats used theory as part of their professionalism and musicality so it would follow that theory with ear is a good approach to take.
- saying on the whole the greats did everything aurally (because there wasn't theory back then) is false and is revisionist. We have literal tape, such as the Barney Kessel lesson, of the greats talking about theory.
- some good players were able to develop their approach mostly or exclusively aurally, without theory. These players are the minority, but they obviously exist. Some had a tad of theory or picked up some during their journey, while it's possible that some knew absolutely no theory, like illiterate Django.Last edited by Bobby Timmons; 04-01-2023 at 11:09 AM.
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"There is no Dana, only Zul"
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Well, as someone who is up for arguing the toss about absolutely anything, I have to say this one has exhausted even me. Shall we play some music instead?
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Originally Posted by Christian Miller
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While theories are not facts, they generally serve as gateways to facts. Because any actual theory is a rational expose of those facts. Theories are not hypotheses.
Off to go play some B#M7 chords before I go to bed.
Originally Posted by ragman1
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One can smell the frustration on this thread.
20% of the people create 80% of the problems, 80% of the time....
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Originally Posted by StringNavigator
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Originally Posted by StringNavigator
80% of the time 64% of the problems are created by 20% of the people
20% of the time 00% of the problems are created by 20% of the people
80% of the time 16% (20% of 80%) of problems are created by 80% of the people
20% of the time 20% (100% of 20%) of problems are created by 80% of the people
20% of the time 100% of the problems are created by 80% of the people
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20% of the customers provide 80% of the business.
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Originally Posted by pauln
and speaking of theories vs truth
10% of men kiss their wife good bye before leaving the house...
90% of men kiss their house good bye before leaving their wife
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"My wife and I fell out over my gambling. I just couldn't leave it alone so she decided she'd had enough. There she is at the gate now with the kids... and they're off!"
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the official mad-at-percentages thread
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When I turned 40 I said - “I’m 40, so I need to get a girlfriend or a motorcycle”. My wife said “well you go ahead and get a girlfriend if you think anyone will have you, because you’re NOT getting a motorcycle”.
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Ur mad at theory, Chris.
Originally Posted by Chris236
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szWphHk7wGU
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Good post from princeplanet.
Originally Posted by princeplanetOriginally Posted by princeplanet
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Originally Posted by Jimmy Smith
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I wonder what 'rules' these guys are adhering to...
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As they follow less and less rules, the more it sounds like noise, exactly like I said.
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Originally Posted by Chris236
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Originally Posted by Jimmy Smith
when 2 Chets meet ...
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