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Barry Harris said in a workshop that there was nothing you could do on a piano that you couldn't do on a guitar. I remember thinking, "does he realize that we are not all Pasquale Grasso's".
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05-03-2021 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Tal_175
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Well Jimi Hendrix thinks guitar makes good fire but Jerry lee Lewis thinks piano make better fire!!!
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Originally Posted by Tal_175
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Originally Posted by rintincop
In my experience I've found that the pianist, having ' ten shots,'..will tak'em.
I see Barry Harris references above so I'll add that he has said that it's the 'little things that are pretty.'
I take that to mean that if he could get most pianists to cut back a bit they would focus more on voice leading.
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Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
He even added: "You can probably do more on the guitar." (paraphrasing).
He was showing some stuff on the piano and wanted guitar players to do them. I think what he meant was, every concept he covered on piano was equally applicable to guitar.
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It’s a guitar forum so most prefer guitar. I don’t know if the majority here actually have much piano experience. I know there are a few here that do. I prefer piano which I came to at age 35. It was easy to find a jazz instructor. Being single, I lived and breathed it for years, practicing for hours and hours until I became proficient with the instrument. Left hand bass lines while improvising was a challenge until it no longer was. I’ve owned grands, and later an upright. Later migrating to a Yamaha S90ES for its versatility of voices including jazz organ. As to portability, most pianos today are portable and come with soft carry bags. The Nord Stage 3 88 only weighs 41 pounds, and is easily carried on your back in a soft bag.The best imo is the Nord, which is built in Sweden. It’s pricy at $4500, but still very affordable when compared to many guitars.
Here’s Joey playing a Nord at a gig.
Last edited by 2bornot2bop; 05-03-2021 at 01:45 PM.
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Originally Posted by christianm77
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The main advantage guitar has over the piano is the ability to make notes speak in different ways.
You can squeeze, bend, shake, slide, pull-off, vary pick and picking technique (and thereby sound) in an infinite number of ways. The notes can sustain or not. It all allows for emotional expression in a way that piano isn't so suited for -- although with pitch bending and volume pedals etc, they can cover some of this.
Of course, jazz guitarists traditionally didn't exploit much of this capability. That came more from blues and rock traditions and, eventually, crossed over.
OTOH, pianists can play more notes at a time, with closer voicings. And, a pianist can comp for himself or play a bass line while soloing. Solo piano is a lot easier than solo guitar.
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^ Piano isn't devoid of expression. It varies vastly depending on the touch. Although there is no pitch changing like guitar or note growth/tone shaping like sax.
Originally Posted by 2bornot2bop
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Originally Posted by 2bornot2bop
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Originally Posted by christianm77
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Originally Posted by grahambop
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Ya, a 500lb piano would stand perfectly on the mud.
Also, that looks like the geeziest movie ever.Last edited by Clint 55; 05-03-2021 at 06:31 PM.
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That is black sand, on Karekare Beach.
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Originally Posted by 2bornot2bop
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Let's not forget, both piano and guitar are stringed instruments. I know this is a guitar forum . . . I am a guitarist . . . but to compare piano to guitar . . . the piano must always win for its superior sonorities, its dynamic range, the depth of its potential harmonic capabilities, and being a true orchestra of one. Then, once we begin to talk about the vast piano literature, and the centuries old pedagogy, the piano is the true winner. However, the guitar speaks to me more than a piano and that is why I play guitar. We are drawn to instruments by our personality. And, I don't know that this can really be explained. Do we choose the instrument or does the instrument choose us?
Play live . . . Marinero
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Originally Posted by Marinero
*Bonus points: "Notes" and "tones" use the same letters! Coincidence?
Probably.
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In jazz the biggest difference for me is the minimalistic nature of the guitar. It lends itself to a more sparse, lighter kind of color and rhythm support, compared to the piano. So I feel it's important for guitar players to work into that, cause that's why someone would prefer guitar in their bands rather than piano.
Another thing is the sound, the blues tradition and all the idioms that are guitar heavy. Certain styles of music, and styles of jazz, translate beautifully to the guitar.
A third reason is the endless variations a guitar's sound can have. Most jazz piano players share more or less a piano sound. Guitar sounds can be anything from Jim Hall to Metheny, Scofield, Mike Stern, Holdsworth, you get the idea..
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Originally Posted by Alter
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Erroll Garner, Bill Evans, Thelonious Monk, Vince Guaraldi. All have unique sounds. People say what they say cuz they don't play :P
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Originally Posted by Clint 55
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A pianist has less control over the sound than you might expect, all they can do is press the key at different velocities (dynamics).
Once the hammer is then thrown and strikes the strings it is beyond their control, all they can do is keep the sustain damper off until they decide to let it down again thus releasing the sustain. If Jarrett throws a hammer at velocity 80 and a monkey throws the same hammer at 80, and for the same duration of course, it will sound the same. What makes them sound different is their phrasing (dynamics, rhythm, accents), their note choices, their concept and influences, how they vary their velocities ("touch", really a part of their dynamics phrasing again) and how they blend their note velocities and harmonize.Last edited by rintincop; 05-04-2021 at 10:57 PM.
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Pianists don't play 1 note at a time. They play several, and so the different timbres created by the different key speeds create a unique overall tone.
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I think that even guitarists should be at least familiar with the piano if only because it's a lot easier to analyse things theoretically on a piano than it is on a guitar.
Sonny S. -- Les Paul Player
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