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    I had those books for quite a long time a returned to them occasionally.
    Recently one of the friends - more or a self-taught rock player - decided to dive into his 'Modern Chord Progessions' and asked my friendly assistance as I am quite well trained in classical theory and know a lot aout jazz too.

    That sort of brought me deeper into that book too.. thogh it seems you know so many things in such methods there are always things that you do not master and that you might find helpful. So I go through the section/chapter/part myself checking and trying everything and then we go through it with my friend and I explain him those things that could be difficult because of the lack ofmusical education.

    In general everything is clear but one thing... I would not probably even notice it but as we go through it with all the scrutiny - I am asked to provide the exact answer.

    On page 23 there is a sentence: Remember to go down in all your chord scales too (that is E7(crossed, in Ted's nomeclature it is dom7th), D#7b5, C#7m7, B7(non-crossed, maj7 in Ted's nomenclature).

    The key of the excercises is E major.

    Ted calls 'chord scales' - the scales harmonized with chords (not quite what Chord Scale Theoricist would mean).

    as the page shows only various Emaj7 shapes and according to the methodology of the chapter I just supposed that he asked us to remember to harmonize all the E major scale with respective chords and play an E major 'chord scale' (further on in other major keys too).

    But my friend noticed taht the first chord he mentions is E7 (crossed, i.e. dom7th) and he supposed that Ted would probably mean to ask us to harmonize this way other known scales like Edom7, D# half dim etc.

    Though it could be a great thing to do too - I just thought that it was a misprint... and there is nothing special meant but harmonizing major scale with various 7th chords voicing.

    those of you who know this stuf from first hands (Tim maybe?) could say what would be the Ted's idea here...

    thank you

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    You have the chord symbols backward.

    A crossed 7 is a major 7th chord.

    A non-crossed 7 is a dominant 7th chord.


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    Quote Originally Posted by FwLineberry
    You have the chord symbols backward.

    A crossed 7 is a major 7th chord.

    A non-crossed 7 is a dominant 7th chord.


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    Sorry but I think you are wrong.

    the whole book is full of non-crossed 7 chords that are definitely maj7s


    (also crossed figure is quite conventional sign for flat interval in baroque and classical nomenclature)

    I guess Ted mostly uses 7 for both maj7 and dom7 - he just identifies it as 7th chord and the qulity of the 7th (major or minor) should be identified through its realtion to the respective abd chord... (same as classical numeral nomenclature I7 means maj 7th, V7 means dom7th)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonah
    Sorry but I think you are wrong.

    the whole book is full of non-crossed 7 chords that are definitely maj7s


    (also crossed figure is quite conventional sign for flat interval in baroque and classical nomenclature)

    I guess Ted mostly uses 7 for both maj7 and dom7 - he just identifies it as 7th chord and the qulity of the 7th (major or minor) should be identified through its realtion to the respective abd chord... (same as classical numeral nomenclature I7 means maj 7th, V7 means dom7th)
    Ted consistently uses crossed-7 for maj7 and non-crossed for dominant. See Chord Chemistry:

    A short question for Ted Greene's methods specialists-pages-ted-greene-chord-chemistry-jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcjazz
    Ted consistently uses crossed-7 for maj7 and non-crossed for dominant. See Chord Chemistry:

    A short question for Ted Greene's methods specialists-pages-ted-greene-chord-chemistry-jpg

    However on Modern Chord Progressions there are plenty of maj7th non-crossed... you can see a few here and also D7 dom which is also non-crossed
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonah
    However on Modern Chord Progressions there are plenty of maj7th non-crossed... you can see a few here and also D7 dom which is also non-crossed
    Sorry, I don’t see a non-crossed maj7 there — which diagram in particular?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcjazz
    Sorry, I don’t see a non-crossed maj7 there — which diagram in particular?
    Oh my!!
    I apologize to all

    I just seemed to not distinguish 7 and crossed 7 in this hand-written fonts.

    But I immediately noticed it in a standard print font.

    Sorry for that!