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    End Chord on Minor tune

    Hi everybody,

    i would like to know how many type of chord i can use to end a minor tune.

    For example if i play a tune in C minor, can i use a tritone chord with the major seventh and sharp eleventh(F#maj7#11)? Pat Metheny use this alternative sometimes..

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    I'd need to hear an example of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fra88 View Post
    Hi everybody,

    i would like to know how many type of chord i can use to end a minor tune.

    For example if i play a tune in C minor, can i use a tritone chord with the major seventh and sharp eleventh(F#maj7#11)? Pat Metheny use this alternative sometimes..
    Youtube link?

    Lately, I've been watching videos on Bill Evans, and I'm starting to think guitarists are too conservative in their chord choices.

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    Mi6 sounds good in a lot of situations, but not all.

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    Yeah I'd say min 6 or minmaj7...maybe throw in a 9th
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    X04554 is cool, I learned that in some gypsy jazz thing
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    minor add 2 is a nice, simple chord, if you don't want fancy.

    A minor add 2: x02415
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    The James Bond chord: min/maj9

    In E: 0 10 9 8 7 0


    Although, I like the unexpected ending of a major flavored chord...very baroque or something. Probably got my period wrong...
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDaddyLoveHandles View Post

    A minor add 2: x02415
    I can't play that!

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    Yes, I saw this earlier and was going to say all those. But you did say Cm.

    There's Cm/M9.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ragman1 View Post
    I can't play that!
    Why not? Religious objections, union rules?

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    I keed, I keed! You could drop the treble A. If you want an A on top:

    A minor (add 2): x09555
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDaddyLoveHandles View Post
    Why not? Religious objections, union rules?
    I can do it if I try really hard but it's not an easy grab. And it hurts! Slightly easier on the 4th/5th fret in Cm but even so.

    Wouldn't bother, personally, I'd do something else. Sorry!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDaddyLoveHandles View Post

    A minor (add 2): x09555
    In movable form:

    A minor (add 2): 579555

    Major version (more challenging)

    A Major (add 2): 579655
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    Min6 maj7. xx7887 Instant noir jazz. The James Bond chord would work too. All are my favs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDaddyLoveHandles View Post
    In movable form:

    A minor (add 2): 579555
    May as well play x05500. Just as good. No strain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ragman1 View Post
    May as well play x05500. Just as good. No strain.
    True, if you ignore the most important word in my post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDaddyLoveHandles View Post
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    I keed, I keed! You could drop the treble A. If you want an A on top:

    A minor (add 2): x09555
    Well now, c'mon, you gotta add a low F# on that and ditch the open A

    Johnny Smith chords...gotta love em.
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    I seem to remember from music school the "Picardy Third" named after Captain Picard of the Starship Enterprise.

    The first ten seconds of this video has great example with explanation following:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Onlyserious View Post
    I seem to remember from music school the "Picardy Third" named after Captain Picard of the Starship Enterprise.

    The first ten seconds of this video has great example with explanation following:

    Any well known examples of jazz tunes that end on a Picardy Third?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDaddyLoveHandles View Post
    Any well known examples of jazz tunes that end on a Picardy Third?

    Great question!!! I can't think of any off the top of my head. So let me think.


    Hmmm. Jazz is very bluesy, so ending on a somewhat sad and minor sound seems..... apropos.


    But OTOH - jazz was spawned in various New Orleans brothels so......... a, er, "happy ending" would also seem apropos.

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    OK, since I brought the Picardy skunk to the garden party, I'll admit I can't think of a jazz example.

    The most obvious, well known tune that occurs to me is the ending of Classical Gas.

    I have stuck a Picardy third on to end Stolen Moments, but you wouldn't have heard it...

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    Bach used a Picardy third pretty frequently; you're not gonna get better validation than that!
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    Quote Originally Posted by whiskey02 View Post
    Bach used a Picardy third pretty frequently; you're not gonna get better validation than that!
    Now we are getting somewhere!

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    What is this thing called love?

    Although it‘s not really minor, it changes all the time.


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    Quote Originally Posted by docsteve View Post
    What is this thing called love?

    Although it‘s not really minor, it changes all the time.
    I'd call that close, but no ceegar. What is this thing called love? alternates 251's in Fm and Cmaj.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fra88 View Post
    Hi everybody,

    i would like to know how many type of chord i can use to end a minor tune.

    For example if i play a tune in C minor, can i use a tritone chord with the major seventh and sharp eleventh(F#maj7#11)? Pat Metheny use this alternative sometimes..
    Django did this at times even when working in major keys (e.g. in C major he might use some form of F#major as an end chord). Certainly wakes the listener up.

    Re Picardy...I have heard Monk's tune "Round Midsection" use a Picardy third at the end of the A part and in some versions they end on it. A noir-ish tune with these bright endings...

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    Or just play Cm, of course

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDaddyLoveHandles View Post
    Youtube link?

    Lately, I've been watching videos on Bill Evans, and I'm starting to think guitarists are too conservative in their chord choices.

    nice ending chord on Blue in Green...Dmi6/9

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDaddyLoveHandles View Post
    Why not? Religious objections, union rules?

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    I keed, I keed! You could drop the treble A. If you want an A on top:

    A minor (add 2): x09555
    Easier to play that chord as x02505

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fra88 View Post
    Hi everybody,

    i would like to know how many type of chord i can use to end a minor tune.

    For example if i play a tune in C minor, can i use a tritone chord with the major seventh and sharp eleventh(F#maj7#11)? Pat Metheny use this alternative sometimes..
    I wrote a tune a bit like that, C minor blues with an F#maj7#11 chord in bar 11... Works like this (last 4)]

    Normally
    | Ab7 | G7 | Cm | % |

    And I have
    | Ab7#11 | G7b9sus4 | F#maj7#11 | F7#11 |

    If I knew it was a Metheny thing I wouldn't have done it lol. But seriously I wrote it to have a bit of a Brecker Tales of the Hudson vibe, so maybe that's why.

    Anyway, it'll be on my forthcoming record....

    So... my pathetically obvious ending chord of choice in minor is the last one in that example - the IV7#11. Last refuge of the scoundrel. Always works though...

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    Beyond that, you can do anything so long as it works with the melody note. Most standards melodies end on the tonic (I), so you can use any of these:

    I6
    Im6
    bVImaj7
    bVI7(#11)
    bIImaj7
    bIIm(maj7)
    IV7(#11)
    and so on....

    #IVmaj7#11 will also work...
    melody note = C
    F#maj7#11 = F# A# C# E# (G#) B# (or C in English!)

    Imaj7 or Im(maj7) is considered a poor choice in traditional arranging because of the clash between seventh and tonic. However, many modern players ignore this restriction, embracing the clash. Jonathon Kreisberg for instance.

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