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Originally Posted by christianm77
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03-05-2019 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by AlexMalmis
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Originally Posted by christianm77
Dm7 x 5 3 5 x x and 10 x 10 10 x x
G7 x 10 11 10 x x and 3 x 3 2 x x
Cmaj7 x 3 2 4 x x and 8 x 9 9 x x
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Originally Posted by AlexMalmis
x 10 9 10 x x and 3 x 3 4 x x - think you might have got the digits mixed up?
The other four are great.
So, here's the thing. We want to connect the chords logically together. We don't want to play:
10 x 10 10 x x
3 x 3 4 x x
8 x 9 9 x x
Because not only is that hard to play, but the chords sound unconnected. If we play
10 x 10 10 x x
x 10 9 10 x x
8 x 9 9 x x
Not only is progression easier to play, but it sounds better too. Take a look at the notes on strings 3 and 4:
10 10
9 10
9 9
Right? All moving by semitones in this case. Real smooth. This is called voice leading.
OK.... So, this gets me to the end of the lesson (which is the same material as my first jazz lesson from the great Dave Cliff)
So, this is the takeaway assignment - can you do this for the whole of the song Autumn Leaves, bearing in mind this voice leading idea:
Cm7 | F7 | Bbmaj7 | Ebmaj7 |
Am7b5 | D7 | Gm7 | % |
Cm7 | F7 | Bbmaj7 | Ebmaj7 |
Am7b5 | D7 | Gm7 | % |
Same thing twice right?
And for extra points:
Am7b5 | D7 | Gm7 | % |
Cm7 | F7 | Bbmaj7 | % |
Am7b5 | D7 | Gm7 | Em7b5 |
Am7b5 | D7 | Gm7 | % |
That's a lot written down, but bear in mind there are basically seven chords, and one extra (Em7b5) that gets used once, so you don't need to tab them every single time.
If so, well done!
After that, the important bit - get used to playing them on your guitar.
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Originally Posted by christianm77
x 10 9 10 x x
8 x 9 9 x x and not
x 5 3 5 x x
3 x 3 4 x x
x 3 2 4 x x?
or does it not matter?
now I understand which fingerings I should use for autumn leaves and why they are correct. Also the chords you listed for autumn leaves are not the same as in the real book. Did you do another key? In the real book it starts am7, d7 them gmaj7... I cant play guitar more this day it is too late but tomorrow I Will try to play autumn leaves using the stuff I have learnt.
Last edited by AlexMalmis; 03-05-2019 at 06:19 PM.
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Originally Posted by AlexMalmis
Just use whatever fingerings feel natural. When we start adding notes you'll need to be flexible in your fingerings
Yes, it's a different key. The key I gave (Gm) is the most common one for most musicians I have played and that's they Dave Cliff taught it to me in.
The Real Book key (Em) is not very often played, at least where I am. One of the many reasons why the Real Book is to be taken with a grain of salt.
There are some other differences as well. My changes are very straight - very vanilla, partly because I wanted to keep them simple for now, but also because I want to give the simplest possible version of the changes so that you can compare to more complex ones and learn something about chord subs....
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Originally Posted by christianm77
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Originally Posted by AlexMalmis
Actually quite a lot of the time, I actually use these little voicings just like that. They are surprisingly complete sounding for three note shapes.
But there's cool stuff we can do with them too :-)
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Originally Posted by christianm77
in this case x545xxx it is root, third and seventh and in 10x109xx it is root seventh and third. What is the order in this way 5x453? If you play am7 then d7 should you play 5x55xx and 5x453x or 5x55xx and x545xx?
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yeah ignore me, i'm not a teacher. Was just trying to get him past cowboy chords
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These shells are the way to go in my opinion. Easy enough in fact to be able to leave behind bar chords/power cords etc., even as a quick workaround.
Actually, Willie Thomas's rhythm guitar lessons or whatever they're called at jazz everyone.com are pretty good and are based on this traditional approach. He worked with high schools and middle schools for years . It's kind of ironic. He's not a guitarist himself , but you begin with "shells on a blues" , which ends up being just two notes which simply move up and down one fret for I7 IV7 V7.
Succeeding lessons introduce ninths, thirteenths , other chord types etc. It's a pretty solid approach for rapidly ramping up survival shops for comping school jazz band.
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i'm SORRY okay?! lol
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Originally Posted by christianm77
Last edited by AlexMalmis; 03-06-2019 at 02:31 PM.
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Originally Posted by djg
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Shells are great because as Garry Burton said in a video posted on another thread recently, the job of the comping instrument is not to play the harmony, that's the soloists job. The job of the comper is to rhythmically hold things together and help the band swing. Paraphrasing.
So the notes in the chords are secondary to judicious rhythmic choices executed with good time. Of course as long as notes don't clash.Last edited by Tal_175; 03-06-2019 at 05:03 PM.
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Which they generally don't in shell voicings because they are super simple.
Here's a point - the melody of Autumn Leaves actually clashes with Am7b5 D7b9 if you let those chords ring.... I didn't notice that for years! (embarassed)
Anyway glad to hear Burton agrees with my take on comping, because, well, he is an absolute master of comping himself, so I'm on the right track at least.
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Cheers djg, not been near a computer, thanks for the input.
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Originally Posted by djg
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Originally Posted by christianm77
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I Made some notes..
CMajor7
8 x 9 9 (8) x - note order root, 7th, 3rd, (5th)
x 3 2 4 x x - note order: root, 3rd, 7th
Seventh 1 3 5 b7
Minor Seventh 1 b3 5 b7
Major Seventh 1 3 5 7
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Watch Fareed Haque's comping videos.
"Play the 3rd and the 7th.
Those two notes define the chord.
Leave the roots and fifths to the bass player.
Leave the 9ths, 11ths and 13ths to the keyboard player and or soloist.
Stay out of everybody's way. Less is more."
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Originally Posted by Drumbler
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Originally Posted by AlexMalmis
Long term, true rootless voicings may give you more flexibility with adding 9ths or 13ths etc, and they may be mostly what you actually PLAY. A lot of players finger roots by default and simply mute or don't play them with RH though.
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This
8x88xx
X878xx
6x77xx
x657xx
5x55xx
x545xx
3x33xx
is correct for Cm7, F7, Bbmaj7, Ebmaj7, Am7b5, D7 and Gm7 right?
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Originally Posted by christianm77
mid-ranginess?
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