One octave scales - VIDEO

[Christian Miller]

Just put this up

I couldn't hang in Barry Harris's class until I worked on THIS

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[kris]

To the point and briefly.

[GuyBoden]

Good stuff.

Yes, I find that the Bebop cliches use very awkward guitar fingerings.

Probably, because they are mostly originally Sax lines.

Below: Even this classic Parker cliche is awkward for me.

[pamosmusic]

This thumbnail is exquisite

[Christian Miller]

To the point and briefly.

Thanks!


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[Christian Miller]

This thumbnail is exquisite

It’s all about the CTR.

Well apparently it isn’t. But CTR needs to be above 5% really and the dreaded red circles and arrows don’t fail.


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[Christian Miller]

Good stuff.

Yes, I find that the Bebop cliches use very awkward guitar fingerings.

Probably, because they are mostly originally Sax lines.

Below: Even this classic Parker cliche is awkward for me.

Yuck.


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[Christian Miller]

I’d do A and C in 5th position and the rest in 3rd. Separate fingers.


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[pamosmusic]

Shucks, video is good too.

I would be really interested in a more systematic way to extend them?

I feel like that sort of relies a bit on people knowing those bigger patterns in the back of their head, right?

[pamosmusic]

Then again, I have always had this Play Anything Anywhere thing going on, which I'm really not invested in anymore, but it's a hard mentality to shake. I'm not invested in that at all with students, and usually tell them three fingerings if they like a line.

So to the extent there are limitations to the one-octave scales, I wonder how much of it has to do with that. Which is probably useful in the abstract, but is ... well ... an abstraction.

[Christian Miller]

Shucks, video is good too.

I would be really interested in a more systematic way to extend them?

I feel like that sort of relies a bit on people knowing those bigger patterns in the back of their head, right?

Dunno

I would always advise people do it by ear. One note should be doable. Then add another.

Do the whole scale by ear.

EDIT- some in the comments have informed me my scales are similar to Jimmy Bruno’s

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[Christian Miller]

Then again, I have always had this Play Anything Anywhere thing going on, which I'm really not invested in anymore, but it's a hard mentality to shake. I'm not invested in that at all with students, and usually tell them three fingerings if they like a line.

So to the extent there are limitations to the one-octave scales, I wonder how much of it has to do with that. Which is probably useful in the abstract, but is ... well ... an abstraction.

I don’t know that the one octave thing is in tension with that. I outline 7 basic positions that you can use with any one octave scale. And that’s not all of them.

There’ll always be some ways of playing things that flow better than others. Again, people get a little hung up on ‘free improvisation.’ If the fingering flowing naturally is an issue, you probably aren’t playing at a speed where free improvisation is possible and you’d be best off thinking in teams of 4-8 note modules anyway. These can be optimised fingerings that can be connected together. (Or amalgamating the best and playing longer note values ala Jim Hall.£


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[GuyBoden]

Personally, I think that Christian's One Octave scales (or parts of) can be linked together to create each CAGED pattern.



Edit: This was probably always obvious to you clever folk.

[bediles]

Made a little worksheet of one octave patterns. Just w major. For a 3 octave scale, chain two 3 string and one 2 string pattern together for example.

[AllanAllen]

some in the comments have informed me my scales are similar to Jimmy Bruno’s

Not surprising. There’s only two systems to grab a scale. CAGED and 3nps. Anything else is a slight modification of one of these.

Edit: Funny that’s exactly how you start the video.

[pamosmusic]

Made a little worksheet of one octave patterns. Just w major. For a 3 octave scale, chain two 3 string and one 2 string pattern together for example.

I like the way you laid this out a lot.

[joe2758]

Have you considered:

They taught you all the WRONG SCALES for BEBOP GUITAR, I went from meh to PRO after learning these JAZZ GUITAR SCALES to master BARRY HARRIS classes, I can't believe how EASY it was after this SECRET

[AllanAllen]

Be sure to play some complete crap after saying do you want sick bebop language like this??

[Mick-7]

Gee, 18 posts about a topic in half a day (19 now), which suggests the topic is either quite practical or quite controversial, maybe even both in this instance. Let us see....

[pamosmusic]

Nah man we’re just powerless to resist that intriguing thumbnail

[Christian Miller]

Personally, I think that Christian's One Octave scales (or parts of) can be linked together to create each CAGED pattern.



Edit: This was probably always obvious to you clever folk.

Sure

But they are also flexible enough to allow lots of different scale fingerings.

Tbh small units are better. I was tempted to make a vid on pentachords and tetrachords which is the next step down. But super flexible.


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[AllanAllen]

I’m just laying in the couch at the end of Thanksgiving Holiday passing the time.

[Christian Miller]

Have you considered:

They taught you all the WRONG SCALES for BEBOP GUITAR, I went from meh to PRO after learning these JAZZ GUITAR SCALES to master BARRY HARRIS classes, I can't believe how EASY it was after this SECRET

I’m not that far gone yet but give it six months. All hail the algorithm!

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[pamosmusic]

Sure

But they are also flexible enough to allow lots of different scale fingerings.

Tbh small units are better. I was tempted to make a vid on pentachords and tetrachords which is the next step down. But super flexible.


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I was just thinking I need to reread that bit of Randy Vincent

which is the third or fourth time I’ve said that to myself in the last few weeks and I’ve yet to do it

[AllanAllen]

Sure

But they are also flexible enough to allow lots of different scale fingerings.

Tbh small units are better. I was tempted to make a vid on pentachords and tetrachords which is the next step down. But super flexible.


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I saw a YouTube short on pentachords. Seemed cool but it was for piano and I’m too lazy to move it to guitar. I’m finally getting a hang on the chord/diminished harmony.