Weaving the VII into my lines.

[brent.h]

I love the old-fashioned sound of a V+ and how Prez weaves it into his I6 tonic lines. In the key of C, that looks like C and E moving/rubbing against B and D#/Eb. Fantastic bluesy, dreamy, nostalgic sound.

I know this might already be obvious to many, but I noticed that V+ and VII are almost the same sound. They're like siblings or something. A V+ has two notes in common with a VII. In the key of C, G augmented is G, B, D#/Eb, and the B major triad is B, D#/Eb, F#.

I tried alternating between the C triad lines and B triad lines, and wow my ears really like it. (Maybe that's the reason why I love songs that feature a VII.)

Examples:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=S652aa_k...bCBib3dsbHk%3D

https://youtube.com/watch?v=cgBGiQjv...Z2h0IDE5MzQ%3D

Edit: Ok i also just realised that if you hold a B triad with a C in the bass you get that diminished major 7th sound...

[ragman1]

Coltrane used it:



With the Ab (G#) it becomes an Abm arpeggio which is pretty well the G7alt sound.

[pamosmusic]

Coltrane used it:



With the Ab (G#) it becomes an Abm arpeggio which is pretty well the G7alt sound.

Abm7 so something resembling a tritone sub, but not quite the altered scale thing.

[Christian Miller]

Love that sound!


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[Mick-7]

Coltrane used it:



With the Ab (G#) it becomes an Abm arpeggio which is pretty well the G7alt sound.

I usually avoid playing the maj.7 over a dom. chord on a strong beat though. The relevant diminished scale, that starts on the 3rd/5th/7th/b9th of the dominant chord , includes the Abm6 so you're just adding the m7 (F#) to it.

[wolflen]

[QUOTE=brent.h;1371399]

I know this might already be obvious to many, but I noticed that V+ and VII are almost the same sound. They're like siblings or something. A V+ has two notes in common with a VII. In the key of C, G augmented is G, B, D#/Eb, and the B major triad is B, D#/Eb, F#.

/QUOTE]

I know this might already be obvious to many, but I noticed that V+ and VII are almost the same sound. They're like siblings or something. A V+ has two notes in common with a VII. In the key of C, G augmented is G, B, D#/Eb, and the B major triad is B, D#/Eb, F#.


In the study of the Augmented scale you will find: ( I use just the flat notes for consistency)

G Bb B D Eb Gb .... G Aug Scale

G B D..
G Bb D

B Eb Gb
B D Gb

Eb G Bb
Eb Gb Bb

And that not all.. (drum Roll please)

G B Eb
Bb D Gb
B Eb G
D Gb Bb
Eb G B
Gb Bb D

Yep six augmented triads

Not bad for a six note scale

Now being that the Melodic minor has an augmented triad built in..with some study and experimentation you can create some very cool lines

[Mick-7]

In the study of the Augmented scale you will find: (I use just the flat notes for consistency)

G Bb B D Eb Gb .... G Aug Scale

G B D..
G Bb D

B Eb Gb
B D Gb

Eb G Bb
Eb Gb Bb

And that not all.. (drum Roll please)

G B Eb
Bb D Gb
B Eb G
D Gb Bb
Eb G B
Gb Bb D

Yep six augmented triads. Not bad for a six note scale

Now being that the Melodic minor has an augmented triad built in..with some study and experimentation you can create some very cool lines

Yes, the aug. triads move in b3rds/half-steps, for example: x-x-5-4-4-3 >> x-x-8-7-7-6 >> x-x-9-8-8-7 - etc.

[Christian Miller]

I usually avoid playing the maj.7 over a dom. chord on a strong beat though. The relevant diminished scale, that starts on the 3rd/5th/7th/b9th of the dominant chord , includes the Abm6 so you're just adding the m7 (F#) to it.

Wimp!


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[ragman1]

Abm7 so something resembling a tritone sub, but not quite the altered scale thing.

Not quite, no, but that's the Coltrane lick (with the F#). Ab melodic is more a m6 sound.

[pamosmusic]

Not quite, no, but that's the Coltrane lick (with the F#). Ab melodic is more a m6 sound.

Mmhm.

Operative thing being that that’s a bit a more of a post bop sound, and that dim(maj7) thing the OP is talking about is a little different.