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    Quote Originally Posted by Christian Miller
    Ah he’s with Sam? Coool. There’s a man it is scientifically impossible to dislike. (Or so it seems, no idea what he’s actually like.)

    One of our better entrants without damning him with faint praise.

    Eurovision is its own weird thing. If you go in expecting even great pop, that’s not what it is. You have to enjoy it for what it is which is LUDICROUS. And then occasionally some mad and hilarious moments.


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    That year I was mad at Ukraine for winning for obvious political reasons with some sort of cave man pop. I do not like SS runes on helmets. Never again is never again.

    Let's better get back to jazz music ...


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    Quote Originally Posted by GuyBoden
    Obviously, you wasn't born the the 1960's, like me.

    Lulu won with this rubbish in 1969. She's still a great singer.
    Go home, Tommy, LOL.


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    This video demonstrates three rules for single notes.

    The rules cover how to add half steps to a scalar line. As Peter pointed out before, but on the video you can see and hear it, on piano.

    Later, he applies the ideas to ii V I. And, there are a couple of rules. Like, for example, ignore the ii and play V7 to I with the appropriate half step rules.

    Or, alternatively, play the ii and then substitute for the V -- the subs are the other b7 chords associated with the same diminished chords as the original V7b9. So, if it's G7, you think G7, Bb7, Db7 and E7. And, when you play any of those you apply the half step rules.

    So, it comes out sounding like bop.

    That's as far as I got, but it certainly clarified at least a little about the BH system.

    Last edited by rpjazzguitar; 10-12-2024 at 03:49 PM.

  5. #54

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    the world of BH style turnarounds:
    Convert everything to 6th dim chords:

    IV6-iim6-IM6 (regular V7 dom)
    IV6-b6m6-IM6 (altered dom)
    Ivm6-M7m6-IM6 (backdoor dom-aka ivminor to b7)
    Idiminished -IM

    Dropping the Ii chord, it becomes m6-Tonic basically (Pat Martino???)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bop Head
    That year I was mad at Ukraine for winning for obvious political reasons with some sort of cave man pop. I do not like SS runes on helmets. Never again is never again.

    Let's better get back to jazz music ...

    How dare they have their country invaded! lol.

    Ukraine does have a … complex and chequered political history. However, until the Russians withdraw I have more …. pressing …. misgivings when it comes, to shall we say, authoritarian hypernationalism in Ukraine.

    In other news, I didn’t really like the winner that year either. I mostly disagree with the judges decision.

    Also next year, Finland wuz robbed!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rpjazzguitar
    That's as far as I got, but it certainly clarified at least a little about the BH system.

    It's friggin good. You can do no harm by studying it if you choose to.

    Some of the main topics in single note (as taught by Chris Parks):

    - Added half steps to scalar lines.
    - Pivoting arps which means starting the arp on 1 note and then continuing it an octave down.
    - Family of dominants. Subbing dom chords on the b3, b5, or 6 for altered sounds or just more richness.
    - Scale outlining. Play scales to the changes up to the 7th then back down. Fits dominant scales over most chords.
    - Playing scales in 3rds.
    - Outlining a single dominant scale diatonically. Play the different devices from every scale degree.
    - Different terminology for stuff that makes it feel more BH. A chord is a 7th chord arpeggio. An arpeggio is a triad arpeggio.
    - Key arpeggios to a dominant chord. On the root, the 5th, and the flat 7th.
    - BH's chromatic scale which plays every chromatic note but adds a skip to fit every scale note on a down beat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobby Timmons
    It's friggin good. You can do no harm by studying it if you choose to.

    Some of the main topics in single note (as taught by Chris Parks):

    - Added half steps to scalar lines.
    - Pivoting arps which means starting the arp on 1 note and then continuing it an octave down.
    - Family of dominants. Subbing dom chords on the b3, b5, or 6 for altered sounds or just more richness.
    - Scale outlining. Play scales to the changes up to the 7th then back down. Fits dominant scales over most chords.
    - Playing scales in 3rds.
    - Outlining a single dominant scale diatonically. Play the different devices from every scale degree.
    - Different terminology for stuff that makes it feel more BH. A chord is a 7th chord arpeggio. An arpeggio is a triad arpeggio.
    - Key arpeggios to a dominant chord. On the root, the 5th, and the flat 7th.
    - BH's chromatic scale which plays every chromatic note but adds a skip to fit every scale note on a down beat.
    That's a great list. Very clear.

    The thing that was less familiar to me was the family of four dominant chords e.g. C7 Eb7 Gb7 A7. I knew about their relationship to diminished, and I was aware of how they create upper structure, but I haven't thought much about using them for direct substitution, except for the tritone.

    I also like thinking about adding half steps. I haven't convinced myself yet that following BH's half step rules are better than using half steps in some other way, but I'm still thinking about it.

    To sum up, thanks to all who were kind enough to reply and explain this stuff simply and with examples. I now feel like I have at least a vague idea of at least some of what BH's teaching includes.

  9. #58

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobby Timmons
    It's friggin good. You can do no harm by studying it if you choose to.

    Some of the main topics in single note (as taught by Chris Parks):

    - Added half steps to scalar lines.
    - Pivoting arps which means starting the arp on 1 note and then continuing it an octave down.
    - Family of dominants. Subbing dom chords on the b3, b5, or 6 for altered sounds or just more richness.
    - Scale outlining. Play scales to the changes up to the 7th then back down. Fits dominant scales over most chords.
    - Playing scales in 3rds.
    - Outlining a single dominant scale diatonically. Play the different devices from every scale degree.
    - Different terminology for stuff that makes it feel more BH. A chord is a 7th chord arpeggio. An arpeggio is a triad arpeggio.
    - Key arpeggios to a dominant chord. On the root, the 5th, and the flat 7th.
    - BH's chromatic scale which plays every chromatic note but adds a skip to fit every scale note on a down beat.
    Slight clarification - an “arpeggio” is a four note figure, a triad with an octave doubling of the root … so A C E A’ for example.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Christian Miller
    Slight clarification - an “arpeggio” is a four note figure, a triad with an octave doubling of the root … so A C E A’ for example.


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    I have understood it as any broken triad inversion with the highest resp. lowest note repeated depending on the direction, so for Am like in your example:

    up: A C E A, C E A C, E A C E

    down A E C A, C A E C, E C A E

    (all of then which could be played over Am6, Am/maj7, Am7, C6, D7, D7/sus4, Dm7, Fmaj7 etc.)

    IIRC they are written out in Johnny Smith's guitar book as well BTW (not called like Barry called them of course).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christian Miller
    How dare they have their country invaded! lol.

    Ukraine does have a … complex and chequered political history. However, until the Russians withdraw I have more …. pressing …. misgivings when it comes, to shall we say, authoritarian hypernationalism in Ukraine.

    In other news, I didn’t really like the winner that year either. I mostly disagree with the judges decision.

    Also next year, Finland wuz robbed!

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    Cannot tell anything about the 23 Eurovision. Obviously I wasn't bored that night. In early 22 I had not met my sweetheart yet LOL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christian Miller
    How dare they have their country invaded! lol.

    Ukraine does have a … complex and chequered political history. However, until the Russians withdraw I have more …. pressing …. misgivings when it comes, to shall we say, authoritarian hypernationalism in Ukraine.

    [...]
    This is what I was talking about.



    I hate Nazism. In 1999, I was surrounded by Bavarian riot police (some of whom are stationed in the former SS barracks at the former Dachau concentration camp) and had to watch Nazi skin demonstrators parade past, grinning. Among them were probably the same assholes who four years later tried to use a bomb to kill the elite of German politics and the Central Council of Jews in Germany at the laying of the foundation stone of the new Orthodox synagogue in Munich at this very Jakobsplatz.

  13. #62

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christian Miller
    Slight clarification - an “arpeggio” is a four note figure, a triad with an octave doubling of the root … so A C E A’ for example.

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    Echols is doing the guest master class in OS Pro this Friday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bop Head
    This is what I was talking about.



    I hate Nazism. In 1999, I was surrounded by Bavarian riot police (some of whom are stationed in the former SS barracks at the former Dachau concentration camp) and had to watch Nazi skin demonstrators parade past, grinning. Among them were probably the same assholes who four years later tried to use a bomb to kill the elite of German politics and the Central Council of Jews in Germany at the laying of the foundation stone of the new Orthodox synagogue in Munich at this very Jakobsplatz.
    Yes I know what you are talking about because it has been an extremely common talking point for the past two years amongst the portion of online left that is skeptical of Western support to Ukraine.

    In fact, this is a point I was hearing as far back as 2014 - the existence of Azov and similar groups was seized on as a Russian propaganda point online to call into question the validity of Euromaidan and Ukraine’s struggle in the Donbas at that time, and spread (probably mostly unwittingly) by Western voices. It certainly had the intended effect on me.

    I won’t get too drawn into it. It’s complex. These points have been well addressed and I think you can track down the journalism if interested.

    So, it’s not wrong - Azov started as a far right volunteer militia in 2014. Since then it was reorganised into the UAF and become a symbol of Ukrainian resistance due to its actions in Mariopul.

    Are there those fighting for Ukraine today who hold extreme and horrific views? Unquestionably.

    There are few units in Ukraine with this type of dodgy paramilitary history, and one founded by left wing soccer hooligans who violently opposed the other side in peace time. Even in 2014 Azov included members on the political left alongside white supremacists according to Vice’s reporting White Nationalism, Left-Wing Alliances, and Straight Edge Lifestyles: Ukraine's Soccer Fans Turned Soldiers

    Turns out a national struggle for survival makes strange allies, which is what we might expect with a close eye to history. It would trouble me more if far right parties had a stronger showing in Ukrainian elections. (But even then, I would still oppose the invasion.)

    Of course Russia also has many units that use openly Nazi iconography such as Wagner PMC, and are engaging in kinetic nationalist expansionism in all kinds of awful ways. So there is that.

    Viscerally the Western left has a hard time getting behind any nation receiving US support. It’s understandable but in this case I think wrong. World politics isn’t Manichean.

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    Last edited by Christian Miller; 10-13-2024 at 05:22 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bop Head
    Cannot tell anything about the 23 Eurovision. Obviously I wasn't bored that night. In early 22 I had not met my sweetheart yet LOL.
    I quite liked Germany’s entry in 23


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    Quote Originally Posted by Christian Miller
    I quite liked Germany’s entry in 23


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    Hahaha I had never thought that I would take part in derailing a Barry Harris thread.

    Now of course I had to check it out and of course there is much better gothic and EBM soaked German metal albeit probably less LGBTQI+ compatible (people from the queer community are the main consumers of ESC in Germany).





    A very long time ago I did a FOH job for Alex's former band Megaherz.



    EDIT: This is the official video of "Was ist hier los?". The other one above is obviously a work by a fan.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bop Head
    Hahaha I had never thought that I would take part in derailing a Barry Harris thread.

    Now of course I had to check it out and of course there is much better gothic and EBM soaked German metal
    Of course, it’s ESC not a credible vehicle for non mainstream music. That said metal instrumentation and vocal delivery is commonplace now in ESC, and it is perfectly possible these days to be a Eurovision finalist and get good reviews in the metal press. Unimaginable when I was growing up haha.

    Part of the fun with ESC is when a WTF!?? entrant like Ireland ‘24 pops up and musicians from more alternative areas of music participate in the spirit of the occasion.

    albeit probably less LGBTQI+ compatible (people from the queer community are the main consumers of ESC in Germany).
    Here too. So I was surprised when there was controversy over the 2024 winner, which I also thought was very strong (by the criteria of ESC). There was some … “culture war” takes on Croatia not winning.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bop Head
    This is what I was talking about.



    I hate Nazism. In 1999, I was surrounded by Bavarian riot police (some of whom are stationed in the former SS barracks at the former Dachau concentration camp) and had to watch Nazi skin demonstrators parade past, grinning. Among them were probably the same assholes who four years later tried to use a bomb to kill the elite of German politics and the Central Council of Jews in Germany at the laying of the foundation stone of the new Orthodox synagogue in Munich at this very Jakobsplatz.
    British people would hate it if one played the game: “Who said it? The Mustache Man or the man voted “greatest Briton of all time”, the one with the “fight them on the beaches speeches” ? Can’t tell them apart, they subscribed to the same principles, dedicated themselves to the same program.

    Perhaps the least knowledgeable person on the planet, the Murican liberal, would hate it if you have to remind them about history when they, when speaking of November 5, 2024, make the ridiculous claim, “Vote like it’s 1933”. LOL! Fascism only came into being being because there emerged a revolutionary workers movement with serious class consciousness, after WW1. Right across Yurup. Who do you think ended WW1? That’s right, German sailors mutinied in Kiel, linked up with Factory workers in Berlin, and soon there were armed workers, soldiers-sailors-workers soviets everywhere in Germany-in fact the first all German Congress of Soviets actually took place. Sadly, neither Luxemberg nor Liebnecht were able to get alerted as delegates! The Kaiser abdicated, and the German bourgeoisie begged the SPD, “SAVE US!” They dutifully complied, linking up with the quasi fascist, “Frei Korps”, General Hoffman, the Kapp Putsch, et al (from the Frei Korps emerged Ernest R’s “Brown shirts”.

    The point is, fascism requires an actual fighting workers movement to combat. There is not even a hint of that in Murica. this is the most backwards working class on the planet, not even a whiff, not even a basic hint of even elementary class consciousness to speak of.

    This is what I tell the most gullible, politically braindead person on the planet of the Murican “BLUE no matter WHO liberal”:

    We don’t live in a country inasmuch as we reside in an Empire, please take the next step—take ownership of ALL of what the Empire does, in the case you support the Empire’s rulers. The niceties of “holding your nose” won’t be enough to take wipe away the putrid stench of bone-chilling, soul-crushing relentless death and destruction on a planetary scale enabled by an Empire for decades: as it now approaches its death-spiral, it’s becoming out-of- control, basically radioactive in its seemingly infinite capacity for killing peoples, countries, continents, and, ultimately, biospheres.


    Indeed, be the purported “adult in the room” —Supporting the dominant political parties means, ipso facto, you take ownership of all of the crimes of the Empire, that essentially served as THE blueprint (along with the British Empire) for the “Mustache Man” and his Brown Shirts. Without “manifest destiny” there could never have been any “lebensraum”. Hell, even the Nazi lawyers were themselves shocked by Jim Crow, even the “one drop rule” and abject support for absolute miscegenation was too much for them. read that again: even NSDAP attorneys were shocked by the “one drop rule”. Take ownership of all it: from the beginning: from the 99% extermination rate of native peoples, who were unceremoniously stomped to the ground, en masse. To today, the copious proxy wars waged today by the Empire across the planet that bludgeon people, without a single shred of mercy or decency.


    And everything in between: the copious military coups and military dictatorships in over 16 counties in the Americas, since the end of WW2, the incredible tragedy of the valorous Congo wars that continue today, sponsored by the US, that have killed tens of millions (it’s ok, they’ re dirt poor Africans, they don’t matter). The 800 military bases worldwide, 50 of those alone in Africa. Let’s simply cite two further examples: (1) The total munitions unleashed by the US in Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia added up to the equivalent of 640 atomic bombs more than all the bombs dropped in all the theaters of WW2. . The air war on North Vietnam targeted schools, hospitals and churches with cluster bombs. Perhaps most devastatingly, the US used chemical weapons, predominately napalm and Agent Orange, in a way not seen before. Rarely counted in the casualties of the war are the 3 million Vietnamese who suffered illnesses due to exposure to Agent Orange – this number does not include their children and grandchildren, many of whom still suffer the effects. From 1964 to 1973, as part of the Secret War operation conducted during the Vietnam War, the US military dropped 260 million cluster bombs – about 2.5 million tons of munitions – on Laos over the course of 580,000 bombing missions. This is equivalent to a planeload of bombs being unloaded every eight minutes, 24 hours a day, for nine years – nearly seven bombs for every man, woman and child living in Laos. (2) What EVER the form of governance, the DPRK had to rebuilt the entire country, 22 out of 26 cities, from flattened rubble, all while under constant siege, relentless sanctions, and ceaseless attempts at sabotage. By carpet bombing all the major cities in north Korea without exception, burning down every town in north Korea, and committing atrocities like pouring gasoline down air ducts and burning north Korean children alive, American troops killed 1.55 million innocent north Korean civilians. This amounted to a population loss of about one-fourth for north Korea. In the first months of the war, the US ran out of military targets, and spent the next 3+ years destroying infrastructure, nature, and killing civilian populations.


    The US army bombed 8,000 schools and 9000 hospitals. They deployed chemical and biological weapons, napalm, white phosphorous, against mothers, fathers, and children alike. They poisoned the rivers. They set fire to forests. North Koreans moved entire villages, factories, and farms, under the earth, so that by the end of the war, most who had survived did so living under ground.


    “A coward dies 1000 times before his death“ ——-Shakespeare. Be the adult in the room, put on the big boy pants, and please, by all means, Take ownership of what you support.”