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Originally Posted by AllanAllen
But after watching Joe Pass and a couple of bass players on YouTube, I changed my fingerings a bit.
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04-21-2024 03:55 AM
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Originally Posted by pamosmusic
(Since this is such serious business, I felt I had to get the Charvel out to do justice to the tune.)
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MM for the win (again)...
TBH, as much as I found DL a great technical exercise, if chasing vocab ideas I think I'd rather spend time copping Matteo's solo ideas as opposed to the head...
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Originally Posted by PMB
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Originally Posted by princeplanet
Yeah… Matteo is not for me.
Feel free to participate in the thread and post a clip of you playing his chops though.
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Originally Posted by CliffR
I usually end up going for some combination of the two. Like I find the left hand fingering I like most and then get all the downbeat slurs in that I can.
Yours sounds very saxophone the way you have it.
One thing I’ve found (and this might be just me) is that it really helps to play the eighth notes very very straight at lower tempos. As it speeds up, the eighth notes will straighten anyway, so if I have an exaggerated first eighth note, the ceiling on speed tends to be much lower.
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Originally Posted by AllanAllen
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Matteo kicks ass, but there's not much for me here as I'll never be playing it like that...
I did try this on my nylon string a few days ago...and clearly my fingerstyle chops are not what I think they are...
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Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
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Originally Posted by princeplanet
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Originally Posted by pamosmusic
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Originally Posted by princeplanet
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I seemed to have tried it in many different fingerings. I do think that simply helps in getting around on the guitar but frankly after a while most of them yield the same results. I don't do is the 3 finger approach. God gave me 4 fingers and a thumb and I am going to use them to carry 4 fret span. When I look at Adam Rogers that is the way to finger and play the guitar. The guy to me looks the smoothest and coolest of any player I know. It is like watching perfect running stride in a 400 meter dash. From all I can tell he uses each finger on his hand equally.
Now I am not Adam Rogers that I think is really the problem.................help.
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Originally Posted by princeplanet
But thank you, MM pretty much used the same fingerings I chose - in fact a couple that I changed after watching NHOP and Jaco play it (I'll upload that).
FYI, There are errors (wrong notes) in the YouTube Matteo transcription in bars 6 and 7, and wrong fingering shown in the final bar of B section - said he's playing notes in the first fret position, which he cannot do because he's got that string muting thingie covering it. Is that thing worth losing a fret over?!
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MM wins for sure at least on speed and smooth playing. He is playing a solidbody and probably with pretty light touch. To me it is the touch with ease that makes it flow very good. However, his sound and the depth of his sound is not Joe Pass, nor does it translate too well to my 1938 L5 set up with 12-52 strings. Not saying which is better or making a competition just a different way to approach the tune. Frankly he wins in the gig if they call the tune at 260 BPM and I have to step up and play. I would just bow out and say, not today maybe I get there.
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Originally Posted by deacon Mark
I prefer the way my linear playing sounds and above all FEELs when I avoid the 4th finger. I think there’s something amiss there, either I retrain to better use four fingers or retrain to use three. Choose your poison - but some things are best done in early childhood lol.
Some things definitely need four fingers.
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Originally Posted by Mick-7
More interested in what people on the forum are learning from tackling the tune.
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Originally Posted by Christian Miller
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Originally Posted by Mick-7
BTW, I could not tell much what fingering he used but Joe always used 4 fingers, he is the master. If you played this tune with Joe, he would be glad to play it at any tempo with you it was not a contest, 140 BPM he would nod and go. That said my goal is 230 clean and smooth. Ok I said it.
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Well MM sounds like he’s practiced his ahem MM chord scale patterns in fourths and joes playing fluent ripping lines out of the bop tradition.
Horses for courses.
Peak Joe in any case. What a gig!
NHOP - very relaxed feeling at 280, no?
Mancuso’s approach is quite legato, reminds me of another MM, Mike Moreno’s fingerings which I cribbed myself.
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Originally Posted by Mick-7
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I think if to watch vids of me playing you can see my left hand form is not great. I can play fast, but the pinky tends to rush. I think this is down to a lack of conservation of movement and equality with the other fingers. At some points it’s easier to go with what you do well than try to overcome a weakness.
(That said have just spent six months working on an Allan Holdsworth solo lol, so who knows where my head is at ….)
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Originally Posted by princeplanet
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The feel is a bit robotic lol but still epic playing. MM is a beast.
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Well, he’s technically really good and he can play in loads of styles. I don’t want to be critical of someone so capable who’s poured so much time and effort into their music, so I’ll just say it’s not my sort of thing. I find the instrumental fusion/shred thing has a very specific style and approach.
I do feel a lot of amazing gigging players out there with less of a web presence get overlooked compared to these players who are very visible on the web. I think it’s like two separate worlds almost.
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