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Manha de Carnaval
Theme From Black Orpheus
A Day In The Life Of A Fool
I love this site - Jazz Standards. Jazz Standards Introduction: Origins, History, Theory, Musicology, Biographies, and Books
It helped me put learning lists together.
I can not find this beautiful Luiz Bonfa song on the top 1000.
I find plenty indications of recordings elsewhere. It was called a lot. Is it a regional thing?
I hope someone finds it on the Jazz Standards top 1000 and makes me look like an idiot.
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09-23-2023 11:20 PM
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Can’t find it either. That’s odd.
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Not there.
Note how the songs are not linked even if they are mentioned:
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There is a contact form
Jazz Standards, Jazz History, Musicology, Biographies and Books
where you could point them to their omission.
Seems like quite a few people have recorded the song.
Manha de Carnaval - Wikipedia
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I looked around for the inclusion criteria the "1000 most-frequently recorded" tunes and in the "What Dataset Was Used for the Ranking?" section found that, first, "1000 jazz artists were identified using various respected jazz music guides. Only the artists who appeared in all of the guides were retained and only artists whose main body of work is jazz." After some treatment of sorting out and disambiguating titles, there's this (to my ear, odd) qualification: "Out-of-print media (CDs, sheet music, and vinyl records) were not included and are not of concern as they are inconsistent with our definition’s phrase 'held in continuing esteem.'" The whole process sounds a bit pseudoscientific/faux-objective to me.
The absence of "Black Orpheus"/"Mahna de Carnaval" from a list of standards is indeed strange, since I can find charts for it in many places in my music library, and it gets called pretty frequently by the group I sit in with--and their playlist is dominated by the standard fakebook repertory.
Given the site's obvious attempt to be statistically based and thus objective, I'd say that this omission suggests a problem with their methods.
BTW, in the list-by-year sorting, I notice the theme from Exodus--the movie came out the year after Black Orpheus, and I recall the LP of the Exodus soundtrack being a big deal and the soundtrack's main theme and a cover by Ferrante and Teicher were radio hits (though neither was jazz). By 1964 "Black Orpheus" was covered by at least ten sure-enough jazz performers. Of course, if some of those albums are out of print, then they must be deficient in the "continuing esteem" department.
A last BTW: The site as a whole is useful and interesting. It's the straining after objectivity that I find odd. (And I'm a certified academic fusspot, so I recognize fusspottery when I see it.)
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Originally Posted by Rob MacKillop
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Originally Posted by RLetson
I have almost 40,000 items in my collection and excluding recordings I've done of Black Orpheus I have seven instances. Only two of the Theme From Exodus (Cannonball & Dizzy) which I've never learned or played or heard called.
That said I concur that this Top Standards site is a valuable resource.
Thanks for everybody's research.
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Originally Posted by Rob MacKillop
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You father smells of elderberries.
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Have you seen this list of people who've covered this tune?
Just a moment...
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Originally Posted by ragman1
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Perhaps I'm slow - in fact it's very likely these days - but what exactly are you looking for re this tune? I don't quite get it.
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Originally Posted by A. Kingstone
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Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
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Originally Posted by ragman1
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Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
It wasn't my intention, of course, to derail the thread. Sorry, Alan. Normal service will resume very soon.
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Originally Posted by Rob MacKillop
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I had to order them from their website in Italy, but you should contact their Aquila USA website: Aquila Strings Home page. www.AquilaUSA.com - they don't have them in stock, but should be able to get them for you.
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'Perhaps I'm slow - in fact it's very likely these days - but what exactly are you looking for re this tune? I don't quite get it.'
Originally Posted by A. Kingstone
What are you looking for exactly? That the tune is still popular? I'm sure it is, it's a lovely tune. Tunes like that don't die because they're not being accessed daily on the internet!
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Originally Posted by ragman1
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10-01-2023, 09:26 PM #23joelf GuestOriginally Posted by gcb
There has been criticism in some quarters that the film sort of sugar-coated life in the favelas, painted over the poverty, crime and generally hard lives people lead there. I know there's truth in that, but purely as a rendering of a myth, with a great score, scenery and terrific acting---well, the fact that it's beloved all over the world says a lot.
Interestingly, there was a remake in the '90s which didn't flinch from the gritty realities of favela life, and with a score by Caetano Veloso. I saw it and thought it was fine. I appreciate that it was an effective counterbalance to the original.
But that original! It will stay in my soul as long as I live...
George Barnes plays Bach/1966
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