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    Quote Originally Posted by destinytot
    Well, I'm not unfamilar with verbal paradigms of non-standard English.

    And I maintain that it's a silly made-up word, and that it's driven (by misguided ideology) in the opposite direction from educational achievement and upward social mobility.

    What bothers me is its proliferation beyond US borders.

    No problem with the descriptor African American Vernacular English.

    God Save the Queen - and her English.

    PS Code-Switchers Rule, OK!
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    What ideology are you referring to?

    John

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    Quote Originally Posted by John A.
    What ideology are you referring to?

    John
    First, that word. Its two elements are 'ebony' and 'phonics': one pertains to language, the other is propagandistic.

    There's nothing wrong with propaganda, per se. And I'm all for clever wordplay. I notice its creator also coined the acronym Black Intelligence Test of Cultural Homogeneity (BITCH). That was in the '70s.

    Now, to the ideology.

    Across the pond, 1971 saw the publication of How the West Indian Child Is Made Educationally Subnormal in the British School System: The Scandal of the Black Child in Schools in Britain.

    It explained that British schools had a pervasive bias toward treating white children as normal, which led to black children being labelled as "educationally subnormal" (learning-disabled):

    "The [black] children are therefore made neurotic about their race and culture. Some become behaviour problems as a result. They become resentful and bitter at being told their language is second-rate, and their history and culture is non-existent; that they hardly exist at all, except by the grace of whites." (my use of bold)

    Depth of feeling over the struggle for social justice led to ideological possession, to radical extremism and to murder - which is what the author of the above quote was convicted of (twice):
    Invasion of Grenada - Wikipedia

    Edit: I'm against separatism and in favour of integration - and I also believe in code-switching.
    Last edited by destinytot; 07-12-2017 at 05:21 PM. Reason: not only charged, but convicted - twice

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    Hey we gonna have another debate about
    race or what ?
    Never mind ....

    What are your fave Stevie tunes to play ?
    and why ?

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    Has to be " Isn't she lovely" such a wonderful melodic and rhythmic landscape

    Will

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    Quote Originally Posted by pingu
    Hey we gonna have another debate about
    race or what ?
    Never mind ....
    There's more to it than race, P. (Hope you don't mind me calling you P. )

    I found it amusing when Joel wrote "You make me feel GOOD'S EVERYTHING'. Maybe that's some kind of ebonics I don't get." (My use of bold.)

    I didn't say so at the time, but I also thought it a little disingenuous.

    And (privately) I attributed that to 'tip-toeing around the tulips' to a 'politically-correct' tune.


    So I called it a "silly
    made-up word." Which it is (made up by a serious and committed social scientist - and not a serious and committed linguist).

    I think John A summed it up well:
    How to act on this information is a whole other set of questions

    I'm a linguist myself - and a great admirer of Columbia Professor of Linguistics John McWhorter.
    The Case for Black English | The New Yorker

    I went further than "silly" by claiming that the word was "spawned by misguided ideology".

    At the time, I was thinking of excessive zeal for (illusory) self-esteem - but I raised the spectre of Revolution (and did a little tip-toeing of my own in my previous post).

    Wish I'd simply posted this to start with - and to be done with it;


    Quote Originally Posted by pingu
    What are your fave Stevie tunes to play ?
    and why ?
    I know I couldn't 'inhabit' his very personal '70s songs, so I don't try - but I sing I Can't Help it.

    My favourite is probably Ma Cherie Amour - just because it speaks to me (probably due to the pop orchestration). And because of Stevie's exuberant joy.
    Last edited by destinytot; 07-13-2017 at 04:47 AM.

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    Sa da tay....


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    Quote Originally Posted by Stevebol
    Sa da tay....

    3:02 - hilarious!

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    Not sure what this has to do with Stevie, but one of the greatest movies ever...and Martin Sheen!

    Sine Yo Piddy on the Runny Kine!
    Last edited by unknownguitarplayer; 07-13-2017 at 02:18 PM.

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    Health is wealth:

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    Fave track on the album:

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    [QUOTE]
    Quote Originally Posted by destinytot
    There's more to it than race, P. (Hope you don't mind me calling you P
    That's cool DT I just wished I'd used a name
    with a hipper first letter ....

    My Cherie Amour is wonderful
    Do you you dig 'for once in my life' too ?

    'Scuse my ivoryonics ...
    Last edited by pingu; 07-13-2017 at 08:18 PM.

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    [QUOTE=pingu;787775]

    That's cool DT I just wished I'd used a name
    with a hipper first letter ....

    My Cherie Amour is wonderful
    Do you you dig 'for once in my life' too ?

    'Scuse my ivoryonics ...
    As long as 'ivoryonics' doesn't mean faking others' speech.

    I find that childish, pathetic and irritating. I avoid the buffoons who engage in it.

    And that's about authenticity of experience.

    Nothing pathetic about being authentic.

    For me, Stevie is the perfect embodiment of the idea of being in a bad place - and making it better. That - for me - is what 'jazz' is about. (Dig? )

    And For Once In My Life is the perfect anthem:
    Last edited by destinytot; 07-14-2017 at 06:30 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pingu
    Hey we gonna have another debate about
    race or what ?
    Never mind ....
    Never mind, indeed.

    It wasn't meant to be a debate (I started that thread), just an important topic that needn't be swept under the rug. Judging from pages and pages of responses, it resonated w/lots of people, some of whom told touching personal stories. Anyway, w/o my blessing or asking me the former moderator first changed the name, then closed it.

    Whatever. Yeah, let's get back to Stevie...

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    SW does some interesting things with chords moving in whole steps. In Golden Lady;
    Ebmaj7 / Fm7 / Gm7 / Am7 - D7 /

    In That Girl he combines it with pedal point;

    C/Gb __ D/Gb __ E/Gb
    Last edited by Stevebol; 07-14-2017 at 10:58 PM.

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    [QUOTE=destinytot;787838]
    Quote Originally Posted by pingu
    As long as 'ivoryonics' doesn't mean faking others' speech.

    I find that childish, pathetic and irritating. I avoid the buffoons who engage in it.

    And that's about authenticity of experience.

    Nothing pathetic about being authentic.

    For me, Stevie is the perfect embodiment of the idea of being in a bad place - and making it better. That - for me - is what 'jazz' is about. (Dig? )

    And For Once In My Life is the perfect anthem:
    No DT I didn't intend it as meaning 'faking others speech'
    So that's OK I hope
    and Yes I do dig authenticity ...

    I'm only speaking for me , and it wasn't
    intended as a windup either

    I have great respect for you man , I dig your
    honesty and giving nature

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    Quote Originally Posted by fasstrack
    Never mind, indeed.

    It wasn't meant to be a debate (I started that thread), just an important topic that needn't be swept under the rug. Judging from pages and pages of responses, it resonated w/lots of people, some of whom told touching personal stories. Anyway, w/o my blessing or asking me the former moderator first changed the name, then closed it.

    Whatever. Yeah, let's get back to Stevie...
    Yeah it resonated with me too FT ,
    It was good
    I got a lot out of it ,
    its just that we'd kind of done it

    Carry on
    What's anyone think of 'As'

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    [QUOTE=pingu;788050]Yeah it resonated with me too FT ,
    It was good
    I got a lot out of it ,
    its just that we'd kind of done it

    Carry on
    What's anyone think of 'As'[/QUOTE]

    "As" is my all time favorite Stevie song. Most folks do not realize that there are only two voices on the tracks, Stevie and Mary Lee Whitney. They did not do any looping to get the background vocals to sound like a choir. The two of them sang their respective lines, over-dubbing at Crystal Sounds Studio until Mr. Wonder had the sound he was after. Herbie Hancock played the piano solo...in one take.

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    [QUOTE=Gitfiddler;788059]
    Quote Originally Posted by pingu
    Yeah it resonated with me too FT ,
    It was good
    I got a lot out of it ,
    its just that we'd kind of done it

    Carry on
    What's anyone think of 'As'[/QUOTE]

    "As" is my all time favorite Stevie song. Most folks do not realize that there are only two voices on the tracks, Stevie and Mary Lee Whitney. They did not do any looping to get the background vocals to sound like a choir. The two of them sang their respective lines, over-dubbing at Crystal Sounds Studio until Mr. Wonder had the sound he was after. Herbie Hancock played the piano solo...in one take.
    Wow that's great to know
    That choir sound is killer
    Gonna listen to the pno solo again now !

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    This one gets in my head frequently


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    [QUOTE=pingu;788045]
    Quote Originally Posted by destinytot

    No DT I didn't intend it as meaning 'faking others speech'
    So that's OK I hope
    and Yes I do dig authenticity ...

    I'm only speaking for me , and it wasn't
    intended as a windup either

    I have great respect for you man , I dig your
    honesty and giving nature
    I totally get that, man. Thanks, P.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fasstrack
    Never mind, indeed.

    It wasn't meant to be a debate (I started that thread), just an important topic that needn't be swept under the rug...
    It looked like a "Check Your Privilege" thread to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EGad
    All In Love Is Fair. Rip my heart out and stomp on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stevebol
    SW does some interesting things with chords moving in whole steps. In Golden Lady;
    Ebmaj7 / Fm7 / Gm7 / Am7 - D7 /

    In That Girl he combines it with pedal point;

    C/Gb __ D/Gb __ E/Gb
    I would even say he has a GENIUS for harmony. It's the simplicity of how he goes unexpectedly in F to D Maj 7 in You and I (I contend that the D is 'borrowed', and the tune never leaves the mother key), then uses the F# Half-diminished as a 'pivot' to get back to E Half-diminished, then finally to C 9. It's all so SMOOTH you hardly notice it, but at the same time it's brilliant. And pedals: my favorite is the slow 'movement' in Superwoman (Where Were You When I Needed You?)---just a C Maj7 to Ab/Bb, repeated in the 1st part and the ending vamp. Send One Your Love also has nice pedals (and the same downward chromatic changes as Too Shy to Say, only faster).

    That minor chord in whole-steps thing is one of his oldest and favorite devices. He used going down in Girl Blue and going UP in Visions. And the melody in Girl Blue is so simple: the 9th, root, and 5th of the chords descending.

    Like Beethoven supposedly wrote all over his scores: 'SIMPLIFY----SIMPLIFY'...

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    Quote Originally Posted by destinytot
    We played it this very day---and I play it most days, if I have anything to say about what we'll (or I'll) play...

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    Quote Originally Posted by destinytot
    It looked like a "Check Your Privilege" thread to me.
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    ?