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  1. #26

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    Quote Originally Posted by Craiguitar
    Walkin' in Japan had one that's remarkably similar!...

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    Also appears to have no label nor serial number. Same book-matched back, non-standard colour and tuners too.
    Now I'm REALLY curious! No WAY there would have been TWO available and on the open market serial numberless real Ibanezes. Same exact looks and replaced grovers?
    Think about it: Every Fujigen produced guitar gets a serial number applied at the factory for manufacture information (date of assembly, lot and assurance of genuine status). Now we have an ostensibly unused guitar with a very distinctive custom colour and hardware swap-out that, if genuine, is nearly 40 years old. And another one just like it for sale half way around the world. Appearing on the market in a used dealership within months of a simultaneous unearthing.
    Curiouser and curiouser.
    My vote shifts to the run of knock offs theory.
    IF Ibanez tomorrow announced a re-issue of the JP20 with these same freaky anomalies, it still begs the question of who stole them off the production line before the serial number and label were applied and how did they do this without the boss seeing it? (Even their prototypes have to be stamped with a unique code so they're not mistaken for a knock off).
    Last edited by Jimmy blue note; 08-12-2022 at 02:02 AM.


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    I have an Epiphone with an empty label, no serial, it is genuine, the quality control ruled it out, because the black paint around the fhole have a semicircular arc-shaped smearing on the burgundy body *under* the finish. Otherwise perfect.

    I always wonder, if a faker capable to create such a fine work such this guitar, why on earth he would not fake the label, and the headstock serial? My guess it is a genuine, but quality control ruled it out, (question remains, why?) and some employer took it, later sold it. Disclaimer: I have no idea what I am talking about :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by wintermoon
    Just curious what the extra 2 frets have to do w pickup placement unless it has something to do w the bracing getting in the way. There's at least 2 1/2 more frets worth of space between the end of board and the pu. I don't know a lot about the model other than the unfortunate pickup placement and Jimmy's anger, maybe you or someone like JBN can chime in and enlighten me.
    The ES-175 originally had 19 frets and then 20, with the pickup mounted about an inch or so away from the end of the fingerboard. The JP20 has 22 frets with the pickup mounted about an inch away from the fingerboard. That pushes the pick up back towards the bridge by two frets, enough to affect the tone.

    Joe D mentioned his JP20 that he had and recorded some videos with; I thought he got a much nicer sound out of that instrument than Joe Pass did, but Joe P was often running direct from the guitar into the PA which may have accounted for some of that. On one of the instructional videos, Pass is playing the Ibanez and says with some surprise "hey, it goes up to a D. I didn't know that."

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    Hello, Sorry to revive an old thread. This thread recently recently came to my attention after this guitar was sold.

    I want to shed some light on this particular guitar since I am the luthier who initially evaluated this guitar when it was sold to the store. I did have large concerns about the lack of serial or interior label. Admittedly, I do not have a lot of experience with this particular model, however, I do know how to spot counterfeits after evaluating thousands of guitars from past decades over the last nine years.

    When this guitar came in, the customer stated that he had purchased it from Japan. He believed it to be a dealer or production sample. Given the lack of identifying marks (serial, etc) I was initially skeptical. After inspecting the guitar as a whole I felt it was genuine. The fit and finish was excellent, fretwork and fret ends were nice, fretboard inlays we're fit tightly as well as having a great quality slab of ebony, binding was perfect, and the finish was thin, as you'd expect. Even the truss rod style and pickup were correct. A one-off or small run from China would be sloppy by comparison. Those are easy to spot.

    After seeing this thread and the link to the Japanese listing, I believe this is the exact same guitar given how the wear on the pickup is the same. I'm making this post in hopes of future owners of this guitar finding this thread seeking more information about it.