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12-10-2024 06:38 PM
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That seems high for a block inlay 16 inch l-5
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"Instrument is sold as is. Potential buyers reserve the right to have the guitar inspected at their sole cost and discretion."
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Not to mention a renecked one.
Originally Posted by Stringswinger
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You guys are not accounting for fanboy premium. This guitar has played every tune from Eddie Lang to John Zorn.
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Does a JL owned guitar really command a premium? Originally Posted by omphalopsychos
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Obviously yes, he’s popular among jazz musicians and is one of the few that has cross over appeal to the wider guitar playing audience
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according to the internet he’s the best guitarist ever. So yes. Originally Posted by wintermoon
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Yep, it's not just an old L-5. It's Julian Lage's old L-5. Somebody will pony up.
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Lol!
Originally Posted by omphalopsychos
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So is this a Naples guitar - one you buy and then you can die? I mean, it'd be a nice way of cleaning out my accounts in that event
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I've played that guitar when we were both at Berklee at the same time. My impression at that time was "This is a rare instrument that was really inspiring to play!" and I remember the feel of that guitar.
No it's not a pristine guitar in Collector's condition, it's a well cared for and well played in very comfortable smaller (16") L-5 that has a singular provenance.
Some guitars are guitars that you buy to adore and store, some have been used to play music, and some have been used to make history. I'll admit it's not easy to price guitars in the latter category, but I've seen sales of pianos owned and used by Comden/Green, Mozart, Gershwin, ... If Joe Pass's 175 came up for sale, do you think there would be a question of "It's kind of worn out, and that's a lot of money for something I'm probably going to have new frets put in on..."
I only hope it's going to somebody that will play it. I wonder if George Benson's guitars went to players. It'd be interesting to know that.
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At least one did. Chase Maddox, one of the better YouTube jazz guitar instructors, bought one: Originally Posted by Jimmy blue note
Last edited by CliffR; 12-12-2024 at 10:16 AM.
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Sounds like it's like a fine old violin.
One of the best things to happen to it could still be to be acquired by a school or fund that will loan it to promising/worthy players (and keep it in optimum shape).
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My thoughts exactly. Or circulate it among players to perform/record with it and raise awareness for something like an artists' insurance fund. Originally Posted by RJVB
There's a certain irony to the fact that to a certain degree, the devotion needed to become a professional artist can preclude certain protections afforded to those with a full time job. Or just being able to afford an instrument like this.
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Don't have to be mutually exclusive! Originally Posted by Jimmy blue note
I sent a PSA to the Dutch Instrumenten Fonds who do exactly what I described in my previous message. They'll probably not have the budget to buy just this kind of instrument at this exact moment in time but IMHO there's definitely worse that can happen to any instrument than to end up in their care and in Dutch musical culture.
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It's been sold says his Instagram page.
Last edited by skykomishone; 12-17-2024 at 04:42 PM.
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I wonder what he got for the guitar. Cannot believe anyone would pay that for that particular guitar. I don't even consider him some icon although he plays great. I would be glad to sell them my 38 L5 for 1/2 what he was asking, and it has the original neck. Shows you just how bad I am thought of
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If Collings can sell all their inventory of ugly gretsch clones for $8k just by labeling them the JL custom model, then this shouldn't be surprising. He's not a universally known celebrity, but he is extremely hyped among his fans.
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Well here’s the thing, he’s a master….and has already proven himself one of the greats of the instrument - whether you’re a fan or not. I’m not particularly a fan of his music (in full disclosure) but I’ve heard enough from him to recognize this. The silly passive aggressive remarks just reflect the abundance of ignorance of those making them. No one who really took the time to learn to play would slight someone of his caliber. Originally Posted by omphalopsychos
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I lived in New York before the culture of "collecting" became a high priced game of investments and thoroughbred snobbery. Music row was filled with affordable guitars that are now considered legendary. But there was always something that was recognized, that was reflected in a higher price tag, whether it was a beat up L-5 at Rudy's or a re-necked Gibson at Matt Uminov's: and that was a guitar hand chosen by a real player for some ephemeral quality, and played in until it felt like a soft glove and rewarded the player with a sound you couldn't buy.
In today's commodity market where a replaced pick guard screw can mean $2,000 off the price of an "original" stratocaster, yeah, an L-5 with an unoriginal neck is a ruined broken specimen of the out of the box ideal. But among players, players who know how rare, how singular a guitar that has been lovingly and constantly ripened by actual playing, it's not broken, it's broken in.
It's priceless.
Having played Jules' guitar I can say it doesn't matter WHO played it previously, its musical value is singular. That IS one fine and rare L-5, because it can inspire any player to realize what is possible with an instrument that doesn't stand in your way.
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Amen!
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Julian’s a great player. My comment was directed at market demand for overpriced guitars (e.g. Collings) not him.
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So what's the big fuss re re-necking? I read it was done by Gibson in '33. How is this worse than a '33 original neck L5? (seriously... I'm hoping to learn)
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If I were to guess ... replacing a neck isn't a simple, everyday operation, esp. in an instrument that's not build to be opened easily. The fact it happened so early in the life of the guitar raises the question why it was done. Any player will probably realise that the instrument has apparently been stable for almost 100 years so there shouldn't be anything to worry about. Originally Posted by ccroft
To put matters in perspective: you won't find a single Strad or comparable violin that hasn't been renecked, and you'll probably find several Amatis that have been renecked twice now. Doesn't seem to hurt their value.
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