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11-19-2024 02:10 PM
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Those are kind of pricey Jack Z. Ted Megas as well as Jim Triggs made a couple of similar type of guitars as well. And I think Aria D’Aquisto made a direct copy of Jimmy’s small guitars as well. I’ve seen those used on occasion,and heard they’re quite good!
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Good luck finding one of those. I bought the one on Reverb years ago, and haven't played another guitar since. I used it on a jazz duo gig with an upright bass player last week, and he said it sounded just like an archtop. That's with no drummer to cover up the nuances. I'd buy a backup if I could find one.
What did Paul B. do with his since he switched to a Benedetto?
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Some 20 years ago I owned one of these , a model with 2 KA pickups. It played really nice, no issues but it was also really heavy and it sounded not that different from my Gibson ES-345. My latest find is a Collings SOCO Deluxe and that guitar is also a thinline made from solid woods and man, that guitar is something special : so resonant, dynamic, smooth, balanced and the build quality is better (or on par) than anything I have ever seen and played. It's got a set of roundwound 11's on at the moment and with medium flats it would convince anyone who looks for a small-ish (15" wide) electric archtop. Yes, the guitar is not cheap (in stores) but there are used ones out there for reasonable prices. Look for the solid wood models because the later LC version (which is also a 16" ) is not as dynamic/responsive.
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i've been trying for a week to get that guy to send me a photo of the truss rod nut.
Originally Posted by jads57
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he uses both. Originally Posted by sgcim
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Do they make a spruce top version? Originally Posted by gitman
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Originally Posted by jzucker
Collings spruce top Soco | The Gear Page
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Just look at players like Kurt Rosenwinkel, Mike Moreno, Gilad Hekselman, Ben Monder and many more : they usually play with small-body semi- or full-hollowbody guitars and like a sustaining tone. Whether the music they play is called "modern Jazz" or anything else is beside the point IMHO. Last night I used my Yamaha SA30 (their late 60's take on a Gibson ES-330) + my 16" Trenier for a concert gig with a 4-tet : the Yammi for the more modern sounds and the bigger archtop for the other stuff. Taking 2 guitars to the gig is normal, is it not ?
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Did you have any feedback problems with the bigger archtop at loud volume? Originally Posted by gitman
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i certainly do. Surprisingly, of all my archtops, the barney kessel is the least prone to feedback. Feedback rating from best to worst: Originally Posted by GuyBoden
1) Kessel
2) GB-10
3) Heritage Eagle
4) Holst
5) Ibanez PM-120
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The Trenier has a thinner top than my Borys B165 and therefore it has a lower feedback threshold. The Borys holds up in a louder setting but in general it depends on several different factors: room size, stage layout, type of amp/cab/speaker and tonal preference. With the eq’s in my Helix Stomp or an outboard 10 band eq pedal (MXR)I can normally tame any problematic frequencies. Originally Posted by GuyBoden
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Originally Posted by GuyBoden
The early Gibson BKs were laminated spruce and the later ones were maple ply. Originally Posted by jzucker
But just as importantly, between the points and the inset humbuckers SO much of the top area of the BK is not available for sound production, including feedback.
(No offense meant -- that's a feature, not a bug!)
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I have always likes a Lester for a jazz solid (jazz was the intended use of the original Les Paul model) and I have owned many over the years (currently I have three). Surprisingly, the best "Jazz solid" I have owned is my 2017 Les Paul Studio (my other two that I own are a 2016 Traditional/Standard and a 2023 Custom).
The Studio is the least expensive Lester I have owned (outside of an Epiphone Standard that I owned for a short while) and yet it has been my favorite solid body jazz guitar. Let me explain:
1. The Studio has the "modern Weight relief". At 7 Pounds 14 ounces, this is a Les Paul that I can play gigs with in my late 60's without risking medical problems.
2. The Studio is not so valuable that it needs to go to the men's room with me on a gig.
3. Gibson makes the Les Paul models in different depths. I assume this is to prevent lesser models from being altered and sold as higher end models. The Studio is the slimmest and the Custom is the fattest. I cannot say for sure whether the Maple cap, the Mahogany body or both are slimmed in the Studio, but whichever it is, the result is a darker guitar than the rest (The Custom is the brightest, probably due to the Ebony board). The 490R pickup sounds great (I cannot hear any difference from this pickup and a 57 Classic) and the 60's neck on mine is superb. The 24.75 scale makes stretch chords a breeze and it has a generous 1 11/16 nut (plenty of room for complex jazz chord fingerings).
The unbound fingerboard looks strange with the Trapezoid inlays, but if the guitar needs a refret, it will be less costly. I bought this guitar new in 2017 and have done more jazz gigs with it than any other solid body guitar than I have ever owned. I was not expecting to like it as well as I do when I obtained it and frankly, I bought it just to see if a lighter Les Paul was something I would like (I do not like the tone of the chambered Lesters, they are a bit too nasal for my taste, just like a 335).
Sometimes the best guitar is the one we were not even looking for it seems. I just wanted to put this out there for JZ and any of you other cats reading this thread. One caveat though, Gibson changes the specs on most of their guitars from year to year so if you are looking for a Studio based on my mini-review here, make sure the specs meet your prospective needs. The exact model of mine is a 2017 Gibson Les Paul Studio T.
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My favorite solid body for jazz is a bog-standard Gibson SG Special. It doesn't look the part, but the P90s more than make up for it with the tone. YMMV.
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I'm sure they're not everyone's cup of tea aesthetically, and they're no longer any less expensive than a Borys, but I love my Nightcat #5333. Really great sound, build quality and playability. The prices have gone up considerably since I bought mine a few years ago: The Wright Guitar Store — Rossco Wright Guitar Builder
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I bought a Studio model the same year.I liked the Caribbean blue color and bought it on a lark for less than 1K new.Turned out to be one of the best Les Pauls i have played in my life.You just never know where you will find a gem. Originally Posted by Stringswinger
I have always likes a Lester for a jazz solid (jazz was the intended use of the original Les Paul model) and I have owned many over the years (currently I have three). Surprisingly, the best "Jazz solid" I have owned is my 2017 Les Paul Studio (my other two that I own are a 2016 Traditional/Standard and a 2023 Custom).
The Studio is the least expensive Lester I have owned (outside of an Epiphone Standard that I owned for a short while) and yet it has been my favorite solid body jazz guitar. Let me explain:
1. The Studio has the "modern Weight relief". At 7 Pounds 14 ounces, this is a Les Paul that I can play gigs with in my late 60's without risking medical problems.
2. The Studio is not so valuable that it needs to go to the men's room with me on a gig.
3. Gibson makes the Les Paul models in different depths. I assume this is to prevent lesser models from being altered and sold as higher end models. The Studio is the slimmest and the Custom is the fattest. I cannot say for sure whether the Maple cap, the Mahogany body or both are slimmed in the Studio, but whichever it is, the result is a darker guitar than the rest (The Custom is the brightest, probably due to the Ebony board). The 490R pickup sounds great (I cannot hear any difference from this pickup and a 57 Classic) and the 60's neck on mine is superb. The 24.75 scale makes stretch chords a breeze and it has a generous 1 11/16 nut (plenty of room for complex jazz chord fingerings).
The unbound fingerboard looks strange with the Trapezoid inlays, but if the guitar needs a refret, it will be less costly. I bought this guitar new in 2017 and have done more jazz gigs with it than any other solid body guitar than I have ever owned. I was not expecting to like it as well as I do when I obtained it and frankly, I bought it just to see if a lighter Les Paul was something I would like (I do not like the tone of the chambered Lesters, they are a bit too nasal for my taste, just like a 335).
Sometimes the best guitar is the one we were not even looking for it seems. I just wanted to put this out there for JZ and any of you other cats reading this thread. One caveat though, Gibson changes the specs on most of their guitars from year to year so if you are looking for a Studio based on my mini-review here, make sure the specs meet your prospective needs. The exact model of mine is a 2017 Gibson Les Paul Studio T.
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i agree the LP is a great jazz guitar. Ulf Wakenius uses some type of LP copy and sounds amazing. I'm a bit uncomfortable on the small body though. I have a nice 335 . I should try putting heavier strings on it.
Originally Posted by Stringswinger
I have always likes a Lester for a jazz solid (jazz was the intended use of the original Les Paul model) and I have owned many over the years (currently I have three). Surprisingly, the best "Jazz solid" I have owned is my 2017 Les Paul Studio (my other two that I own are a 2016 Traditional/Standard and a 2023 Custom).
The Studio is the least expensive Lester I have owned (outside of an Epiphone Standard that I owned for a short while) and yet it has been my favorite solid body jazz guitar. Let me explain:
1. The Studio has the "modern Weight relief". At 7 Pounds 14 ounces, this is a Les Paul that I can play gigs with in my late 60's without risking medical problems.
2. The Studio is not so valuable that it needs to go to the men's room with me on a gig.
3. Gibson makes the Les Paul models in different depths. I assume this is to prevent lesser models from being altered and sold as higher end models. The Studio is the slimmest and the Custom is the fattest. I cannot say for sure whether the Maple cap, the Mahogany body or both are slimmed in the Studio, but whichever it is, the result is a darker guitar than the rest (The Custom is the brightest, probably due to the Ebony board). The 490R pickup sounds great (I cannot hear any difference from this pickup and a 57 Classic) and the 60's neck on mine is superb. The 24.75 scale makes stretch chords a breeze and it has a generous 1 11/16 nut (plenty of room for complex jazz chord fingerings).
The unbound fingerboard looks strange with the Trapezoid inlays, but if the guitar needs a refret, it will be less costly. I bought this guitar new in 2017 and have done more jazz gigs with it than any other solid body guitar than I have ever owned. I was not expecting to like it as well as I do when I obtained it and frankly, I bought it just to see if a lighter Les Paul was something I would like (I do not like the tone of the chambered Lesters, they are a bit too nasal for my taste, just like a 335).
Sometimes the best guitar is the one we were not even looking for it seems. I just wanted to put this out there for JZ and any of you other cats reading this thread. One caveat though, Gibson changes the specs on most of their guitars from year to year so if you are looking for a Studio based on my mini-review here, make sure the specs meet your prospective needs. The exact model of mine is a 2017 Gibson Les Paul Studio T.
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I listened to a couple clips of the collings and to me , it's missing the tone I'm looking for that I hear in the el rey, borys and benedetto. I'll probably just buy an eastman el rey 1 if I can find one for a decent price. I haven't heard many clips of the ER-4 but the ones I've heard seem like a step backwards for my taste. Originally Posted by gitman
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Just listed on Reverb. It has a wide nut.
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I just wanted to add that Grayson's Tune Town in Montrose is a old and established store. I've been a customer for years but now live several hours away so I don't get in as often. Montrose is in a affluent area adjacent to La Canada/Flintridge where JPL is located. Originally Posted by QAman
Grayson's is great!
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Thanks, thats more than a new one though!
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I had a Borys B-120 with that same size nut, 1 13/16”. It was just a little too wide for me. Originally Posted by QAman
Keith
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yeah, that neck looks like a classical neck to me, lol
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FYI- here is a response today from Roger, should you wish to place an order for one. Originally Posted by jzucker
Steve,
The price for a JAZZ SOLID is $6,000.00. Right now the build time would be about 10 months. Thanks! RB
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