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As someone who lives on another continent and is not part of the jet-set Emmet's Place offered me a chance to experience a lot of top-notch NYC musicians live including a lot of young guns I would not know otherwise (of course a real live concert is still something different). And like at Vignola's night they always have a lot of fun. I never found them very avant-guarde ...
Originally Posted by nyc chaz
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07-19-2024 03:26 PM
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Never said they were Avant-garde.
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Well, thankfully there is a place for both. I would say I prefer the FV sets at Birdland to the Emmett's Place sets myself (from the perspective of watching them on video on an iPad; in person might be a very different experience). I've listened to some very good music on both channels.
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There are very different but to me equally good for what they are. FV guitar night is of course focus on guitar players, and he presents the best of them. It's very swing oriented, the rhythm section in particular. But they are brilliant for what they do. The Emmet's Place is more cutting edge, straight ahead/contemporary jazz, and gives a platform many young musicians. The rhythm section there is killing and much more adventures, very modern sounding. Not to say they can't play trad. Look at Patrick Bartley, he basically became famous overnight with 'After You Gone'. And I met him some years ago at the Keep, Brooklyn's Hot Jazz jam spot. Unlike maaany straight ahead sax players in NYC he is just as great at New Orleans trad jazz as at contemporary. Originally Posted by JazzIsGood
So I like both, they represent jazz at different angles.
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What I wanted to say is that in my perception most if not all musicians invites by Emmet are rather mainstream straight-ahead and influenced by the tradition. (Says a guy who sometimes -- not all days! -- likes to listen to some Art Ensemble Of Chicago or Peter Brötzmann as well.) Originally Posted by nyc chaz
BTW from my experience the rising popularity of Emmet's channel has done a lot for the appreciation of jazz among younger people. Which might have to do with the fact that they see younger players having lots of fun playing together. (And some really old musicians like Sheila Jordan or Houston Person or George Coleman having lots of fun with the kids as well.)
Aren't we always moaning here about jazz having become an absolute niche music?
By the above I want to say nothing at all against Vignola's night. I try to take my time to watch all episodes if possible and was very sorry that Mike Stern decided to withdraw all his videos from the channel so I missed watching his last gig there in full.
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The Godfather of cerebr..., I mean modern jazz guitar! Originally Posted by GuyBoden
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So we're talking about the "Live from Emmet's Place" videos? Am I correct these are more varied as in less-guitar centric?
Don't think every concert with non-improvised music has only perfect notes (except the ones intended to seem like karaoke performances where you're not certain there's actual playing going on). Originally Posted by nyc chaz
Heh, the proverbial kind who plays thousands of notes to a handful of people? Originally Posted by Hep To The Jive
The FV GN videos are nice background music for me, occasionally pushing itself a bit more to the foreground (and judging from the setting that's exactly what they're intended to be).
Heck, the last one even had a blues that sounded like one (or should I say that I recognised as one)
Frank's jokes get a bit old if you hear them too often but that's what you get with listening to live performances by the same people on such a regular basis.
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Yeah I hear ya. I don't mind a few clams but not all clams are created equal. Joe Pass sliding off a note is one thing, but some of the guys at the Birdland guitar night will play some bigger clams that are kinda cringey. Overall I like the show. I check it out from time to time. And overall I like Frank V, I just find him inconsistent (both his tone and his playing). I don't want to bag on the guy so I will leave it at that. He is one of the most well known jazz guitarists in the world, so I think he can take a little criticism just fine. He's got books out, methods, an entire camp business, and this Birdland thing. He's quite good at business and he is spreading the word of jazz so I support him.
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LOL! Truer words, man. Originally Posted by JazzIsGood
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Can I hand an FV-style joke to the master? Originally Posted by JazzIsGood
9 Types of Clams and How They Are Best Served
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Wow Frank V's is inconsistent.. Tough crowd! The guy's technique and tone is top notch, I think he's one of the most consistent jazz guitarists I've heard. You might say something about his style or vocabulary, as it is very much rooted in early swing and GJ, not exactly the most modern out there, but that's why he is actually very popular with a 'common' folk IMO. You can be good at business but if you got no goods to sell it won't be sustainable. Originally Posted by JazzIsGood
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There's things to sell and then there's things to sell. Not that I want to make any comparison between the 2 here, but have you heard (of) André Rieux? Originally Posted by Hep To The Jive
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I'd really like to be presented examples with exact time code positions of those bad mistakes some people hear being played at Vignola's Night. I am starting suspecting that for some some phrases are too modern LOL.
People tell me I have exceptionally good ears and listening to Vignola's Night videos I never came across something that hurt those things attached to my head left and right of my brain.
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Neither did I! Originally Posted by Bop Head
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I have a suspicion and an idea, folks, so back to the shed and get used to the sound of the tritone substitution. Originally Posted by Hep To The Jive
Which is something Dizzy Gillespie worked out in the late 1930ies.
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You are going to have to ask Jazzisgood since he posted about Vignola and guest guitarist's just being ok not great.It's why years ago i stopped going to guitar shows.Too many negative guys just there to criticize.It's like the old joke of how many guitarist's does it take to replace a lightbulb,100,one to replace the bulb and 99 to say they could do it better.Everyone is entitled to their opinions but c'mon if you don't think Vignola is one of the best than please tell me who is so much better. Originally Posted by Hep To The Jive
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24 July 2024
Bill Mays (piano) and Jay Leonhart (bass) join Frank Vignola for a trio set.
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I caught a little of this last night. Very nice stuff. Originally Posted by David B
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Indeed - the sound was coming across the Internet so clear. And without drums you could really hear the tone of Frank's L7. Bill and Jay were just great. Here's the set list. Originally Posted by AllanAllen
Guitar Night 7/24/2024
With Bill Mays piano and Jay Leonhart upright bass
- Tangerine
- The man I love
- Stardust
- Stomping at the Savoy
- Nancy with the Laughing Face
- Me and Lenny
- Deep in a Dream
- Things Ain’t What They Used to Be
- Take The A Train
Last edited by Bflat233; 07-25-2024 at 06:54 PM.
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This post about clams has been the highlight of my JazzGuitar.be experience. Click the link if you haven't already.
Originally Posted by RJVB
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I'll take that at 1st degree, thank you Originally Posted by JazzIsGood
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31 July 2024
Violinist Sara Caswell joined Frank Vignola, Ted Rosenthal, Gary Mazzaroppi and Alex Raderman.
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Tomorrow night
7 August 2024
Jimmy Bruno and Pasquale Grasso guest
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A string of guests appeared. Jocelyn Gould, Ken Smith, Dave Stryker, that's all I recall right now. Excellent show. Next week, Vinnie!
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