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Originally Posted by pauln
Regarding tastes, remember the scene in Spartacus...
CRASSUS (nobleman): Do you lie?
ANTONINUS (slave): Not if I can avoid it.
CRASSUS: Have you ever dishonoured the gods?
ANTONINUS: No master.
CRASSUS: Do you refrain from these vices out of respect for... moral virtues?
ANTONINUS: Yes master.
CRASSUS (After a long pause): Do you eat oysters?
ANTONINUS: When I have them master.
CRASSUS: Do you eat snails?
ANTONINUS: No master.
CRASSUS: Do you consider the eating of oysters to be moral and the eating of snails to be immoral?
ANTONINUS: No master.
CRASSUS: Of course not... It is all a matter of taste.
ANTONINUS: Yes master.
CRASSUS: And taste is not the same as appetite, and therefore not a question of morals, is it? (He begins to get out of the bath)
ANTONINUS: It could be argued so master.
CRASSUS: My robe, Antonius. (Antoninus dresses him, Crassus gives him a sidelong glance). My taste includes both snails and oysters...
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02-22-2023 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by pauln
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Originally Posted by Jimmy blue note
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Originally Posted by pauln
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Originally Posted by Jerzy
he did a great job pantomiming tho.
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Originally Posted by ModesSchmodes
but my biggest gripe is his tone. i know someone like him is tired of playing w archtop-types and wants to branch out sonically, but as a listener i found it abrasive.
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Nothing to do with being in or out. Without relistening, I remember first thinking that it was one of those "Clapton shreds" type jokes, in fact the video had a kind of weird vibe. Then I realized that the notes corresponded to fretting hand movements. I found the guitar tone jarring and it generally looked like a jazz guy unsuccessfully trying to quote rock stuff and take it somewhere interesting. On any other day, Julian is a wonderful musician.
Last edited by Peter C; 02-22-2023 at 05:10 PM.
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Reminded me of this gem (IMHO ... since we're posting videos of other players):
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Originally Posted by pauln
Last edited by StuartF; 02-22-2023 at 07:46 PM. Reason: added something
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Yes, it is Herb. The Hollywood Palace was an hour-long variety show aired by ABC between 1964 and 1970. The show had a different host each week. On this episode (Season 5, number 13, December 12 1967) Alpert also introduced Burt Bacharach, Liza Minelli and Sergio Mendes.
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I'm not sure how many people know Bryn Davies majored in jazz performance at Berklee.
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Ah, Bryn Davies. Great bass player and harmony singer, loved her stuff with Tony Rice and with Peter Rowan. Now works in a nuclear power plant or something like that.
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The Wes harsh takes are more than illustrative of the overall tone of this thread. Bless his soul, Wes endured the tortures of the damned just to get his incredible musical realization into the Market. No offense to Julian, he's doing what he needs to, in an attempt to get his musical message across. When he is freed from the usual marketing machinations, he is a joy to hear, imo. EG the Lloyd band.
I find his work uplifting, and I can see him smiling when he plays. But I think the guy has a tattoo of Bill Frissell somewhere
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For my money, Julian is the most complete and interesting of a handful of younger players on the scene and I almost always enjoy his performances. The depth and breadth of Lage's musicianship beyond jazz is really quite remarkable. I love how a player with his chops can also be a superb, sensitive, accompanist to his paramour, Margaret Glaspy. We all love great improvising but sometimes, just playing the song is can be the highest art form of all.
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Paramour?
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Originally Posted by AndyV
Then there's the whole "no feel/no soul/sterile" argument. Alot of these YT wunderkinds sound like the guitar version of a drum machine. No thanks.
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It's going over some heads so I'll just say this the "Clapton shreds" and "EVH shreds" videos are fakes, joke videos. Someone re-recorded the solo purposely bad as a joke. There are tons of them, it was a thing in the 2000's.
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Julian's well rounded indeed. No Tony Rice, but he holds his own with Chris Eldridge. And on stage with Santana at eight. And with David Grisman, Bela Fleck, and of course Mr Burton all before he was 20. It's quite an upbringing.
So back to jazz: I really enjoyed Blues Connotation when I saw him. I love a guy that loves Ornette. Only other live performance of Ornette I've seen were by the man himself.
(I'd strum a few cowboy chords just to be close to someone like Margaret. Lucky bastard! :-)
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Originally Posted by StuartF
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I thought it was high level playing. It was very creative and original and he utilized his technical skills to execute motives which elevated the music. It isn't music that I would seek out to listen to on my own, but I think it's well done. I prefer traditional, but I do like the modern progressive playing as long as it isn't ridiculous. There's the notion, 'that's not jazz, you can't do that!' Well why not? Isn't the point of jazz to take the framework and be creative with it? Why not do something extremely creative as opposed to only straight ahead? I like that. Various kinds of material can be used with that approach as opposed to what he used here with his honky tonk tele motives.
Last edited by Jimmy Smith; 02-24-2023 at 10:10 PM.
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Pondering all this, seems to me that a remarkable thing about Julian is that he radiates joy when he plays, seemingly every time. There are a few players like that- Wes, Mike Stern, Kreisberg, Frisell... it's infectious.
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Originally Posted by Cunamara
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In fairness though, the StSanders "shreds" guy is imo really amazing at what he does. It takes talent to take the pis* out of the greats in a way that acknowledges each of their particular styles and vibes. So if Lage happened to sound like that (actually I briefly had that thought too) maybe it's not such a bad thing.
I like Julian Lage. I'm still warming up to him; I don't necessarily think he's one of the greats (yet?) but he's better than 99% what they play on commercial radio. He's making a living being authentic to himself and his gifts (it seems). I think he's still finding his unique voice as a guitarist though.
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Originally Posted by Cunamara
That visible joy is what brought me to Julian. I'll be honest, it took me awhile to "get" him. When Arclight first came out, I saw his name in tele circles, checked him out and just didn't get it. For whatever reason. But videos would keep popping up here and there, and I'd keep "dipping my toes in the water" so to speak... and by the time Love Hurts came out I was enamored. Watching someone play with that much joy... I felt like it was something I am missing. That would be a good topic for a new thread....
Stern is another example- I really can't stand his music, but I love the guy- he not only seems to have pure joy for playing, but also pure joy for life. IDK what "drug" he's on, but I want some...
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Originally Posted by pauln
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