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    I'm aware this is probably not the right place, but the gear section generates most of the forum traffic. The link says it all.

    Fundraiser by Katherine Goodrich-Burrell : Support Kenny Burrell

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    Since I did this for a living Kenny Burrell would have Medicare and while not covering everything it would not cause medical bills that high. Lots or Medicaid available, i am not trying to be a jerk but be careful this has a wrong ring to it.

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    First all Mrs Burrell should apply for Medicaid in the State of California all the medical providers would help her and probably require she did that for treatment. He would have social security income and his wife s minimum. Would think he has many other royalties and pension to boot.

    From someone who once discussed business side with of being a musician with KB, KB s comment was, “i made a lot of money and I kept it, I have no bad habits.”

    My problem with these go fund me things is fraud and deceit.....lots of it going around. It could be legit but I am a Medicaid consultant and if true I tell how to proceed free.

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    The Go Fund Me for Kenny Burrell appears on his Facebook "Community" page. Nothing mentioned on other FB sections however.

    Any way to confirm its legitimacy??

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    Quote Originally Posted by deacon Mark
    First all Mrs Burrell should apply for Medicaid in the State of California all the medical providers would help her and probably require she did that for treatment. He would have social security income and his wife s minimum. Would think he has many other royalties and pension to boot.

    From someone who once discussed business side with of being a musician with KB, KB s comment was, “i made a lot of money and I kept it, I have no bad habits.”

    My problem with these go fund me things is fraud and deceit.....lots of it going around. It could be legit but I am a Medicaid consultant and if true I tell how to proceed free.


    Plus he has been teaching at the university level for several years (decades?) And a uni prof gets paid quite decently. (UCLA?)

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    I contributed anyway. They've already raised 20k in two hours!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rpguitar
    The article about his son’s passing from 2006 does NOT state that Kenny’s wife’s name is Lora. It states that the son’s mother is Lora. That sort of thing happens!

    If you simply Google Katherine Goodrich-Burrell, you can find the address of her and Kenny’s apartment. Seems like a legitimate plea and not fraud to me.
    Yeah, I was skeptical, but Googling Katherine Goodrich-Burrell does yield and address in Westwood that she shares with Kenneth E Burrell. So it might be legit.

    Also, yes he is a professor at UCLA, but profs don't get paid as handsomely as some think, especially if he is only teaching a class or two, rather than a full load each semester.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug B
    Plus he has been teaching at the university level for several years (decades?) And a uni prof gets paid quite decently. (UCLA?)
    Yep, UCLA, but he is 85 now.

    It also said that he was injured and has some other financial difficulties to boot.

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    If this is true it's beyond sad! Kenny has put out a bizillon albums and is a teaching professor and he's broke?? Hard to understand.

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    Legit or not I funded anyway,
    The thought of a giant like mr Burell being in this kind of trouble is too disturbing...

    We all owe Kenny !

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    Hold fire for now guys. JazzTimes magazine, who first shared details of the fundraiser, just Tweeted:

    We now have reason to doubt the legitimacy of that supposed GoFundMe page for Kenny Burrell we posted about earlier today. If you've been thinking of contributing, please hold off until we can get the full story.”

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    heard from his wife katherine who moderates his official facebook page that this is legit

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    Couple of points seem in order.

    Adjunct professors are paid by the course. Most artists teach courses as adjunct faculty and have a performance career.

    The economics of jazz is such that the entire catalog of jazz artists sold fewer records together than Miles did. Miles made millions. The rest _split_ millions.

    Thus, even household names in jazz could be a few hospital bills from foreclosure.

    It is very plausible that the site is legit.

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    No disrespect to KB but the number of Americans in financial distress due to outrageous medical expenses is staggering. My wife and I have both had cancer, surgeries and procedures costing many thousands of dollars, yet we’ve never considered putting our hand out and just asking for people to just give money to us. Is celebrity status an entitlement to having all of your needs met and problems resolved? I suspect many of us know people and families in far worse hardship living in a significantly lower economic bracket than KB. I am not indifferent to his plight but I just don’t see why I should pay the bills of someone who has made more money than me, while I have my own medical bills because he’s a great guitar player or has some level of celebrity?

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    Kenny Burrell needs help-kb-jpg

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    He was an inspiration. I listen to and teach his music. Yes I bought his CD's but I didn't spend much on them and I'm sure I have watched and listened to plenty of his stuff from free streaming sources over the years too.

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    JazzTimes has confirmed that it's real.

    Kenny Burrell needs help-screen-shot-2019-05-10-10-50-43-am-png

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    When Barney Kessel was ill, many great jazz guitarists got together and did several benefit concerts for him. Perhaps, if this is all true, some concerts need to happen.

    When Joe Pass was ill, one of his D'Aquistos was sold to pay for medical expenses. Perhaps this also needs to happen here?

    It is sad that great artists are not compensated as they should be (have they ever been in any society?) and that American health care (and immigration policy among other things) is in need of structural reform, but due to the extreme polarization of American society, such reform will not be happening any time soon. IMO, the polarization is due to uncompromising extremists from both ends of the political spectrum.

    I hope that the truth of this matter surfaces soon. And that things work out OK for one of the legends of jazz guitar.

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    I do hope the Burrell family can live this part of their lives with some measure of comfort and dignity.

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    I just received an e-mail from Vintage Guitar promoting Kenny Burrell's GoFundMe page.

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    Sad for him. I sent my donation, Mister Kenny Burrell is the one who took me to the jazz guitar world !

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    An elderly couple is facing foreclosure and homelessness? What kind of fuckin heartless society allows this to happen?

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    I have donated and so should all of you. Our passion for jazz guitar exists in part because of this living legend. Even a 5 dollar contribution helps. This is not a scam.

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    If I'd only heard his solo on Jimmy Smith's "Flamingo" it would have been enough for me to contribute, check it out sometime. First time I heard him and still my favorite solo.

    It's already over 60k in 24hrs!
    I'm hoping a well heeled fan or two puts it way over the top. It would be cool to see him and the missus live somewhat comfortably in their golden yrs.

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    God Bless Kenny Burrell.

    But for the grace of God goeth I.

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    I can understand the varying points of view here.

    Lots of people become strapped because of medical bills, and couldn't expect much success in starting a GoFundMe drive, like a celebrity can/could.

    But then, the Burrell's listed some other drivers for the need as well. Identity theft and related issues. I must admit that I didn't understand the linkage to mold remediation issues, though. Whatever, I gave some.

    And then the usual trashing of America started.

    Well, Burrell is 85 so is eligible for Medicare, is he not? Whether he has a Medicare supplement is a valid question (for him, not us), as everyone should. But they aren't free of course. And finally, some folks are calling for "Medicare for all" as the grand answer to America's healthcare challenges. Well folks, take a good look. So maybe they should change it to "Medicare plus a Medicare Supplement for all". All to be funded by GoFundMe (not). Food for thought, but I'll stop here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jazzstdnt
    And finally, some folks are calling for "Medicare for all" as the grand answer to America's healthcare challenges.
    Well you make it sound like "Medicare for all" is some unattainable magic or something. There are many similarly developed countries that have achieved medicare for all. Some believe the US to be the greatest country in the world. Then it should be no big deal for US to deliver what the lousy Canadian's were able to do many decades ago
    Just saying.

    Edit: I might add, despite what you might hear in some news sources, Canadians are overwhelmingly in favor of public healthcare. Even the Conservative party fully supports it. (In Canada 4 of the 5 major parties are progressive leaning so the other 4 also certainly support it.)

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    Here’s an update from JazzTimes which includes a statement from the Jazz Foundation of America: GoFundMe Page Launched to Support Kenny Burrell in Time of Need. It verifies the very unfortunate situation that Kenny and his wife are experiencing.

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    I don't use them but aren't Thomastics about $25-30 a set?
    If you use them just leave your current set on longer and consider donating that to the fund.
    Folks, it's a pack of strings....

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    What happened? Any news reports of the injury and its extent? Frequently, the injured in CA seek bloodsucking lawyers to sue someone when in financial need. I could not find anything.

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    I find it baffling that a musician, especially a jazz musician, can be a social conservative.

    And lest it seem I comment off topic, I have donated.

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    This is about helping Kenny Burrell not about your world views. Kenny is a jazz icon and a great and humble man. He gave me great advice when I was a puppy. A true gentleman. This thread is all about Kenny. Pay up or shut up.

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    Part of the statement from The Jazz Foundation indicates that Kenny and Katherine tried dealing with this themselves and, ultimately, the Foundation recommended the GoFundMe page. So this wasn't a case of celebrity entitlement, as someone posted earlier. Not that I ever thought it was to begin with.

    “Kenny and Katherine had been dealing with this situation alone for several years, because, as always, musicians are proud and self-reliant and do things on their own. They did not even contact us to ask for help but were referred by friends.


    “The Jazz Foundation assessed the case, conferred with other helping organizations, and reviewed documents attesting to the financial need described in the GoFundMe post.

    “We couldn’t possibly cover the full scope of the need, and other sources of funding were explored, including a GoFundMe campaign, given how successful and lifesaving they have proven for fellow musicians.

    GoFundMe Page Launched to Support Kenny Burrell in Time of Need

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    Is there anything we can do as a community to help out? Could we do, for example, a Twitch stream of folks interpreting Midnight Blue and other material while seeking contributions or something similar? I'm 56 so out on a limb here...

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    Shitty health care and a legalistic US corrupt banking system.... great combo. (Full disclosure...I'm a banker...don't hate me)...

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    The good news is, in one day they have earned $83K of the $100K so it looks like they'll make it easily. I assume that they already have the $83K, or will very soon? Great!

    Now somewhere in one of these threads I believe someone said that they live in Westwood? (which is very close to UCLA). Ahem. Nice area. Do you guys know Westwood? No, you don't know Westwood. You might want to check it out.

    When I lived in LA decades ago I lived in the (lowly) valley, but got around. Once when in Westwood I saw Rod Stewart at an intersection on Wilshire near all those "apartments", in the drivers seat of his classic white Rolls Royce.

    These days, I occasionally drive from LAX through Westwood on my way to Beverly Hills (very, very close).

    Like I said, nice area.

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    If there's not a "Concert for Kenny" being organized right now, then I don't know what to think. Isn't one of the Marsalis brothers the director of the Kennedy Center or some sorts along those lines?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bahnzo
    If there's not a "Concert for Kenny" being organized right now, then I don't know what to think. Isn't one of the Marsalis brothers the director of the Kennedy Center or some sorts along those lines?
    Wynton runs Jazz at Lincoln Center. And I agree, someone put on a concert!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jazzstdnt
    The good news is, in one day they have earned $83K of the $100K so it looks like they'll make it easily. I assume that they already have the $83K, or will very soon? Great!
    As I understand it, they get the money only when the goal is met. If they do not meet the goal, they do not get the money. Or maybe that's a Kickstarter thing.

    I'm reminded of the campaign done for Allan Holdsworth's family; after he died, his kids did not have enough money to bury him and tried to raise $18,000. They turned off the campaign when it reached over $100,000.

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    Making money in the entertainment industry is hard, very hard. Most can't succeed. Even talent takes you only so far. Many employed, productive musicians live on the edge. Some of the most commercially active and successful players were in the Wrecking Crew. Few made big bucks yet cut gold records.

    Jazz players can work hard and even much harder for modest incomes. Some genres, like polka for example, must be even worse off.

    In Kenny's case, he lived much longer than most. Most in his age group do struggle. They can do less for themselves and therefore have higher expenses to get others to do that work. Medicare generally covers only 80% of medical care. Some prescriptions aren't covered at all. He may need expensive trifocal glasses and hearing aids. He also may need help going to the store. Perhaps he can't drive.

    After an injury there can be necessary accommodations at home such as handrails, special toilets, lifts and more. Those can cost many thousands.

    We took care of my father-in-law who passed away a couple of months ago at 94. Even though he was pretty healthy, he was dependent on us to be there about four hours a day plus manage his bills, taxes, shopping, driving and the like. Dental and medical care was costly but not astronomical. Home assistance for routine care and safety would have cost a few hundred a day.

    It's easy to see how someone in his mid to late 80s could deplete his savings even without a major injury.

    When social security was enacted many years ago, the age of eligibility was 65. The lifespan beyond that age on average was two years. You can see where the math leads. Kenny is 22 years past eligibility. He was financially productive long past that. But at some point your expenses exceed your savings and the clock ticks as his resources deplete.

    Healthcare cost is an important problem. The loss of social and family support is another one that gets less ink. For millennia the elderly were highly honored and well cared for by clan. Modernity has put a stake in the heart of that obligation. This duty somehow is expected to be handled by others, particularly the state. This troubles me.

    Personally I'd like to see Kenny's album sales go through the roof the next few weeks as a tribute to him. He's earned those sales. Buying his works provides a dignified support for him. I'd also like to see tribute concerts to help him in which he could participate in some way. There's nothing wrong with straight donations through GoFundMe either. But if I were Kenny, and this is just me, I'd like to have my albums sell out in a hurry as a sign of love and respect.

    I'll end this here.
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    MG, I am at the parking lot at ShopRite and I just read this on my phone.
    One of the best posts ever on JGF.
    EVERY word should be read by people who are getting up there. Outstanding.
    If I might add, live now, die later.

    JD

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    Quote Originally Posted by icr
    Wouldn't it be more practical to just buy his music? That is why it seems like a scam to me. Why supporters would not get music in exchange for monetary contribution seems odd when his discography includes 58 titles as leader and 186 titles as sideman.
    If I go buy Midnight Blue right now, how much of that $10 or $15 do you think Kenny sees? And how long before he even gets the royalties check?

    Edit: For the record, I own Midnight Blue. Bought it on CD when I was in high school and digitally once that became the standard.

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    He would get pennies per album sold, and he can't give away the music to donors because he doesn't own it, the music companies do. Buying Kenny Burrell albums is not the answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sgosnell
    He would get pennies per album sold, and he can't give away the music to donors because he doesn't own it, the music companies do. Buying Kenny Burrell albums is not the answer.
    Exactly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sgosnell
    He would get pennies per album sold, and he can't give away the music to donors because he doesn't own it, the music companies do. Buying Kenny Burrell albums is not the answer.

    He's writing two books. Buying them should help.

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    Goal met. $100,795.00. Two days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Cushman
    Interesting, UCLA is quite embarrassed by this activity. It's about their reputation too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sgosnell
    He would get pennies per album sold, and he can't give away the music to donors because he doesn't own it, the music companies do. Buying Kenny Burrell albums is not the answer.
    I don't know the music business as well as many here. I do see that he's cut seven albums since 2001. I hope he had a decent contract with royalties since at least that date, preferably longer. If not, something is horribly wrong with his management. The royalties won't make it to his wallet quickly regardless. But album sales are a great way of showing you care.

    This may be a tangent. When I go to concerts I often notice that there are empty seats, more than years ago. There seems to be less support for live events now. Weddings commonly have DJs instead of bands. The point is that it looks to me that we as a culture want our art on the cheap and convenient. Streamed videos and music are not the same commitment to the artist or the arts.

    I'm not a manager or entrepreneur, but it seems to me that many musicians and fans would pay an extra $25 to have a signed copy of one of his albums. If I could swing it, I'd get a couple of cases of his CDs, bring them to his apartment, have him sign them, and sell them through his facebook page or elsewhere. I'd pay $50 for him to personalize it as a gift to a friend.

    I'm not ashamed to say I got a collection of signed pics from all of the stars of Justified as a present for my wife. Yes, each star made good money for a quick signature. Years later, they still bring a smile to our faces and was money well spent IMO.

    Nothing is wrong with GoFundMe, especially in a crunch. There are other ways also to show support.

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    Among other acts of generosity, I like the idea of a surge in buying KB's CDs. Somewhere on this forum recently I thought I saw a post about a newly released CD of some old recordings of Kenny, but now I can't find it.

    Can someone help clear my befuddled brain on this? I want to drop some change on some CDs of Kenny to round out my already large collection and hopefully help a bit that way.