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Originally Posted by rmpmcdermott
the greatest
cheers
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04-03-2019 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by rmpmcdermott
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Originally Posted by takauya
I don’t want to get too wrapped up in labels here. I just dig her music. And I think she tells wonderful stories with it even if they aren’t traditional. If you don’t dig it, that’s cool too, man.
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Originally Posted by takauya
you are not understanding the impact of time..in the 1950's that was considered way out!!..all that esp label 60's free jazz and trane and ayler...that seems so understandably clear & magnificent now...that was like aliens transmitting from outer space back then...sun ra...roland kirk...ornette...cherry...billy higgins and ed blackwell on drums..these guys were trailblazers!
and they were out and they were free...playing jazz other than bop or dixie
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Originally Posted by rmpmcdermott
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Originally Posted by neatomic
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Originally Posted by Litterick
Ok, I'll add a little more. Her playing is free to some extent, but not so much that I'd call it free playing. Not at all. Her music is not free at all. It is obvious.
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Originally Posted by rmpmcdermott
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Originally Posted by takauya
ornette didnt play off chord changes..that was truly free-ing...even bird reworked all the standard changes
don cherry spent years way out in the zone...living music...art ensemble of chicago!!
check the roots man ..call it what u wanna
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When it comes to jazz, folks easily get confused with free and avant garde. I don't lose sleep over it.
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Originally Posted by neatomic
I guess you are from the generation that bebop was still dominating the scene, but I'm not. Apparently we hear things differently, which of course is fine.
To be honest none of the guys you mentioned sound like free to me at this point. Even late Trane, Interstellar Space, which I really like. Mainly because so many other guys after them have played like those free jazz guys in the past so it's already became standard. Now, it's just a style of playing called "free" and it's not free at all if you know what I mean. I know it's very subjective.
Bebop used to be a radical form of music, right? Now, it's not. The same thing.
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Originally Posted by Litterick
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Originally Posted by cosmic gumbo
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Originally Posted by BigDaddyLoveHandles
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Originally Posted by takauya
actually thats not my generation, but i did make a point to go back and study the roots...one doesn't have to be 120 years old to dig louis armstrong hot fives does one?? haha
i don't understand how the guys that created free playing are not as free as the guys today who are merely replicating them?? ...the modern players themselves credit & absorbed the past greats
the only exceptions might be electric guitar players..who have so many options as far as pedals and gear these days, that they can go places guitarists of the past could not..sonically anyway
good thread
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Originally Posted by Litterick
Originally Posted by Mary Halvorson
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Originally Posted by Sam Sherry
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btw- a good point of entry for halvorson for the uninitiated or unconvinced...
mary halvorson octet-away with you...2016
cheersLast edited by neatomic; 04-04-2019 at 08:44 PM. Reason: sp-
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Originally Posted by rmpmcdermott
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Originally Posted by neatomic
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Have you noticed, Mary Halvorson threads always bring the best in us!
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She pisses people off. I like that.
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Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
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Originally Posted by JGinNJ
I dunno. I think he might have liked it. I certainly thought it was a beautiful tribute.
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