View Poll Results: Django vs Charlie Christian
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Charlie Christian
31 47.69%
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Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
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08-28-2017 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by christianm77
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Originally Posted by Rob MacKillop
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Originally Posted by Rob MacKillop
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Originally Posted by christianm77
Django's elegance throughout the saddest times leaves me in bewildered awe and melancholia. CC makes it abundantly clear to me that the Creator does, indeed, have a master plan.
By kind favour of KirkP:
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unfortunately I OD'ed on Django back in the day, now I can barely listen to a tune, just burned out on it.
that said, he was a virtuoso of epic proportions.
and I don't know if I'm buying that Christian was surpassed in skill.
styles and music evolved but that doesn't affect one's skill level.
if you listen to the live Mintons sessions for example I don't know who surpassed that level of playing.
maybe guys play faster but not necessarily better.
I wonder if Christian had lived what he'd have done, his recording career lasted maybe what, 3 years?
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Last edited by acornet; 08-28-2017 at 05:43 PM.
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Geez. What is the POINT of these threads?
Why not start one called 'applesauce vs. jello'?
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Originally Posted by TOMMO
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Originally Posted by Stringswinger
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Little known fact, the banjo was invented by Django's lesser known brother, Bjango so I am totally getting this.
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I am also following with interest the various steak references - T-bone, ribeye etc. This is the first time a thread ever made me hungry.
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Originally Posted by EGad
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I choose Rib eye, with the apple sauce... I have no problem with these threads that ask for our opinions and preferences, I learn a lot, not only about all you guys and your preferences, but about my own! It's fun to dig deep, explore and ultimately express what we like and why. It simply has to come down to this for me: who do I listen more to? Like with piano players, I know I listen way more to Bill Evans than say, Art Tatum, but I know that every time I listen to Tatum I am completely overwhelmed with feelings of how he must be the greatest pianist of all time (jazz or otherwise!).
So likewise with these 2 we are discussing. CC resonates more and agrees with my daily moods mores than does DR, however, that is slowly changing as I listen more to Django's electric years. I just wish CC was around in DR's last years to hear how he was working up his own merging of Swing, Gypsy and Bop. Django was just so damn exciting, and Wes and GB are the only 2 other guitar players that generate those levels of excitement, for me at least. And yeah, it's easy to be "exciting" on guitar if you wanna bring up Hendrix, Van Halen etc... but it's not quite so easy without distortion or effects now is it? It get's down to technique, style and most importantly attitude.
Same goes for other instruments. Saw Chris Potter a coupla years back and he was mind numbingly proficient. Exciting for the first minute, then no real surprises. Went home that night and listened to Dexter Gordon and felt so much more excited by it, despite it being far simpler music. The only way to surpass that is to have exciting sound/technique, and exciting note choice/ideas. So yeah, Bird, Cannon, Coltrane, Brecker etc ....
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Originally Posted by princeplanet
And again, what's the point? Just dig and appreciate...
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Originally Posted by princeplanet
I have had many debates with my friends related to Barney and Joe Pass; Yea, I understand the POV that no-one can touch Pass as it relates to a guitar master, but often I find Barney a little more interesting to listen too, so called flaws and all. (but the next day I'll watch a video like the one with Roy Clark and Joe Pass and say to myself, no one beats Joe!).
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Originally Posted by Stringswinger
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Originally Posted by mrcee
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when django came stateside..in nyc he was picked up by johnny smith who took him to hook up with les paul!!!
django, johnny and les...can you imagine???
the mythology that django came stateside empty handed waiting for endorsements is bunk...he was a simple guy from a rom caravan type existence being thrown on a plane to come to the united states..he must have been completely overwhelmed...
but stateside, he had the admiration of players who knew just how great he really was...harry volpe, a great but obscure figure in guitar history...johnny smith hung with him immediately in nyc...les paul, who loved django and eventually wound up paying for djangos funeral
doesn't get much heavier
the respect artists have for other great artists has always been there..a part of the history of art
cheers
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Les was a badass single note soloist on acoustic guitar very influenced by Django which made him pretty unique in the states AFAIK.
The Django school of playing was pretty different from the American pre Charlie school. The US players were coming out of the banjo or the blues mostly until CC came along (and CC sounds pretty much in the bluesy tradition of teddy bunn when you hear him play acoustic.)
I can completely imagine Djangos playing wasn't widely known in the US
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Originally Posted by neatomic
I'm not sure 'a simple guy from a rom caravan type existence' is fair, but 'empty handed waiting for endorsements' and 'completely overwhelmed' definitely aren't mutually exclusive.Last edited by destinytot; 08-30-2017 at 08:47 AM. Reason: spelling
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Originally Posted by Hep To The Jive
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I don't think anyone knows what Django brought with him when he came to the States or how he got the Gibson and it doesn't matter but he certainly didn't come to busk. And he obviously hung out with a lot of great musicians. I'd be curious to know about his time with Ellington.
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Originally Posted by FZ2017
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I cant compare these two purely on the grounds of my own experience. I went out and bought a Django record the second I read that Joe Pass talked about him in such glowing terms when I was about 17 back in NZ in the 70's. From there it was easy to find other Django recordings and there were already quasi manouche bands cropping up around the place.
But it was from the same interview with JP that I learned about Charlie Christian - and it took ages for me to find a copy of the "Swing to Bop" at Mintons with a few cuts of Charlie playing - and the recording quality was rough!
The full collection of his stuff with Goodman etc took me some time to find over the following years and only because I moved O/S - and it was a revelation but for some years the only reason I knew that Charlie was so great and so influential is because Joe and Wes said he was!
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