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Between his death and the early fifties (Jimmy Raney etc). I'm only aware of Tiny Grimes regarding this period. Any players and their recordings worth checking out? Please help close a gap in my education...
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03-24-2017 01:05 PM
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1940's?
Barney Kessel
Herb Ellis
Tal Farlow
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the war probably curtailed a lot of recording, so your options are limited during that era.
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Thanks, any recordings? Tal Farlow with Red Norvo?
Originally Posted by BigDaddyLoveHandles
Yes, you're probably right... Originally Posted by wintermoon
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I vaguely remember someone's quote that if there was no recordings of any jazz guitar between the death of Charlie Christian and the first appearance of Wes, the jazz world wouldn't lose much, or something like that... I found it harsh, but realistic
Last edited by Hep To The Jive; 03-24-2017 at 01:38 PM.
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Not only harsh but extremely untrue. There have been a lot of master players between Charlie and Wes. Originally Posted by Hep To The Jive
I vaguely remember someone's quote that if there was no recordings of any jazz guitar between the death of Charlie Christian and the first appearance of Wes, the jazz world wouldn't lose much, or something like that... I found it harsh, but realistic
Back to the first question, I have in mind Oscar Moore or George Barnes for instance.
Cheers.
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I may be wrong but the first appearance of Wes would be in the late fifties (at least on record)?, so we would've missed Jimmy Raney, Barney Kessel, Jim Hall, Herb Ellis, Kenny Burrell and a few others..... Originally Posted by Hep To The Jive
I vaguely remember someone's quote that if there was no recordings of any jazz guitar between the death of Charlie Christian and the first appearance of Wes, the jazz world wouldn't lose much, or something like that... I found it harsh, but realistic
...not to speak of Django's late fourties electric recordings....
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In addition to Herb, Tal, and Barney, here are a few more worth checking out:
Oscar Moore with the Nat Cole Trio : King Cole Trio: Transcriptions (1946-1950)
Billy Bauer with Lennie Tristano: Intuition (1949)
Oscar Aleman
George Barnes: Vol. 1: Quiet! Gibson at Work
Mary Osborne
Eldon Shamblin with Bob Wills and His Texas Playboys
Allan Reuss with Benny Carter: The Complete Benny Carter
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Oscar Moore,
Irving Ashby,
John Collins,
Dave Barbour,
George Barnes,
Les Paul,
and the early beboppers
Barney Kessel,
Remo Palmier(i),
Arvin Garrison,
Chuck Wayne,
Bill DeArango,
Mary Osborne,
Joe Sinacore,
Jack Hotop,
Barry Galbraith,
Billy Bauer,
A couple of good resources on this subject are,
a 4 CD box set by Proper Records titled "Hittin On All Six" which traces the history of Jazz Guitar from it's beginnings up to the early 50's. It's actually out of print but you can still pick up copies pretty easily. Not too expensive either.
Hittin' on All Six (4CD): Amazon.co.uk: Music
There's also this book which I haven't seen myself but gets good reviews.
The Great Jazz Guitarists: The Ultimate Guide: Amazon.co.uk: Scott Yanow: 0884088569853: Books
and also Maurice Summerfield's book "The Jazz Guitar-Its Evolution, History and Personalities since 1900". Also out of print, but he puts out a new revised edition every few decades
This era is actually something I've spent quite a lot of time researching, I've got a real thing about the swing/bebop crossover. A previous thread you might find of interest.
Early Bebop Guitar Transcriptions.
Delighted to recommend/discuss further details on recordings on the above players.
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Thanks Fred and snailspace - will check those out. I love Billy Bauer's playing but only have his "Plectrist" album. A lot of those players between (roughly) 1941 and 1951 probably didn't make recordings as leaders so it's tough to find recordings unless you know how their careers developed. I dig vintage Jimmy Raney and just recently bought a Stan Getz Box set for his contributions to his albums.
eta: thanks a lot pubylakeg - much appreciated - lots of stuff to look into!
Last edited by TOMMO; 03-24-2017 at 02:29 PM.
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Teddy Bunn (actually a contemporary)
Chuck Wayne
Ronnie Singer (a lot like Raney back then, but w/a fatter sound)...
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Will check 'em out fasstrack - thanks!
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Originally Posted by pubylakeg
Thanks again. Found both of the above used for a good price and ordered them.
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The best choice for recordings on which Billy Bauer makes a significant contribution as a side man are the Lee Konitz album "Subconscious-Lee" (actually, one of the best recordings by the Tristano school) Originally Posted by TOMMO
Subconscious-Lee - Lee Konitz: Amazon.de: Musik
and the tunes contained on "The Essential Keynote Collection Vol 2"
Essential Keynote Collection 2: Complete Lennie Tristano - Lennie Tristano: Amazon.de: Musik
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this fresh sound label compilation cd of three great guitarists, has given me hours of repeated listening..great (obscure) stuff!
amazons got it! highly recommended
cheers
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Can't believe I left Wayne off my list (mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa). Good find, neatomic! Originally Posted by neatomic
this fresh sound label compilation cd of three great guitarists, has given me hours of repeated listening..great (obscure) stuff!
amazons got it! highly recommended
cheers
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Bill DeArango be-Boppin' with Diz....
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Thanks one more time for your recommendations and input. Will check everything out!
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Got both of these - excellent stuff - thanks for the recommendations!
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There's also this oddity - a pre-Aebersold (1955) play along album: Originally Posted by pubylakeg
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Has anyone mentioned Sal Salvador? He doesn't get much mention but every time I hear him play I grin.
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Have to check him out. Originally Posted by lawson-stone
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If you are considering 1959 as the year of Wes' arrival (first Riverside date) I think you can make the point that there are no guitarist led recordings that are essential to the history of Jazz. Much as I love Kessell on the Poll Winners discs, or Burrell/Coltrane, or Tal and Johnny Smith at their peak, I think your right about their lack of historical impact on the development of Jazz overall. Originally Posted by Hep To The Jive
I vaguely remember someone's quote that if there was no recordings of any jazz guitar between the death of Charlie Christian and the first appearance of Wes, the jazz world wouldn't lose much, or something like that... I found it harsh, but realistic
Nonetheless, the quote goes too far in ignoring the guitar's central role in to seminal rhythm sections of the 1950s.
First, Herb Ellis and Barney Kessell in the original Oscar Peterson Trio, which also served as the house rhythm section for Verve. The Trio was critical to the Verve sound during the 1950s and a lot of classics like For Musicians Only, Diz & Getz, Sonny Side Up, Ella & Lois, etc...would sound very different without Herb's comping.
Second, guitar is integral to the emergence of the Hammond Organ trio format pioneered by Jimmy Smith. This includes both Smith's regular groups with Quentin Warren or Eddie McFadden, and, of course, the classic Blue Note recordings with Burrell like The Sermon, House Party, Softly, etc... Yes there were later trios, like Shirley Scott or Larry Young, who didn't have guitar, but they're known for being a departure from the definitive B3-guitar-drums sound.Last edited by ingeneri; 04-04-2017 at 11:04 AM.
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Hmmm. Getz & Raney at Storyville. That was a brand new sound for a band. Something never heard before that changed the music to come. Many giants from that era confirmed they were blown away by this 5tet which made a lasting mark in jazz history. I don't agree with your statement. Originally Posted by ingeneri
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