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Originally Posted by jster
Regarding jazzers and PM in particular, I believe that it’s partly due to (1) the mental effort one exerts in order to improvise (not knowing exactly where you're going can be stressful indeed. And he has the pressure to be brilliant all the time).
But I believe it’s also partly due to pretentiousness and self-indulgence. ("Man I'm really great, and I'm playing something really amazing here, and you can tell by all my spasms".)
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09-12-2011 08:28 AM
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We're dealing with a listening art. If the performer is creating sounds I don't like I can't listen. Kieth's groans are unbearable to me.
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Originally Posted by Jabberwocky
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Originally Posted by BigDaddyLoveHandles
To those who get annoyed, give yourself some more time. It took me a while and I didn't give up because there is so much there there. It is part of his art. If you listen for his musical ideas, you filter the noise out eventually. The only ones I know who get all bothered are mainly the audiophiles who don't listen to music but soundscapes and faults in recordings.
Just as you cannot fault someone who has Tourette's Syndrome, I cannot fault Keith Jarrett for his vocal "art". Call it an artistic tic, if you will. At least, be thankful that he doesn't try to sing. Now, THAT would be disastrous.
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anyone heard Glenn Gould?
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I listened to part of the "Koln concert" yesterday, ten minutes of scales over a couple of chords, is what I thought I heard. can't remember if there was grunting or not.
you know, after listening to the byrds with thousands of screaming kids, chairs collapsing, and hysteria, (long time ago)
I can put up with a little grunting
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Originally Posted by jster
I was teaching a lesson yesterday and I kept thinking of this, hilarious.
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Originally Posted by Jabberwocky
(I was listening to solo Monk last night in bed on my headphones. You can hear him humming along here and there ever so slightly. Never gets in the way 'cause it's so subtle.)
Jarrett is plain annoying. Love Peacock & DeJohnette; love his piano playing--just can't get past the voice. But, hey, a lot of folks can, and that's okay too.
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Originally Posted by markf
Last edited by whatswisdom; 09-13-2011 at 10:26 PM.
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Strange; I've read Keith Jarrett has absolute pitch. Especially for a pianist, the scatting makes him not seem it.
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Originally Posted by whatswisdom
I meant to say, porcininity aside, is I thought the music was ho hum. two chords, a one and a minor two, and a bunch of scales. for quite a while;
"new age" kind of stuff.
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Originally Posted by Soco
There are a some very famous players that have gotten a lot of mileage and even more money out of a look of great artistic pain on the ole mug.
people seem to love it.
it's the outpouring of emotion;
what the hell, if it works, maybe I'll start doing it in the back of the restaurant.
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Originally Posted by markf
Last edited by whatswisdom; 09-14-2011 at 10:59 AM.
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I am a huge fan of Keith Jarrett, he is my favorite pianist along with Bill Evans.
The grunting never bothered my, his playing is too brilliant, I don't even pay attention to it. What if you couldn't enjoy Novak Djokovic brilliant tennis because of his grunting? It wouldn't make any sense-then you are not really interested in tennis.
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Originally Posted by Soco
if you turn the sound down with music..... you have nothing.
BTW - i dont mind his moaning that much either, as long as its not too loud.
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I think it works. I have watched tennis without any sound, and it gets really boring.
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Originally Posted by Soco
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Originally Posted by whatswisdom
I also usually practice while I watch these games.
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I don't really care anything about the Koln concert. It's cool for what it is, but I don't really care about listening to it.
The Melody Tonight With You is a studio recording. Maybe he just does it on the live stuff?
I really like the "Standards" concert recordings of the trio. I like the interaction and am not as interested in his solo or studio recordings. I don't really pay attention to the humming. It's just part of the package if you listen to him. I think his music is worth it.
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Soco are you familiar with any of these people?
Jørn Skogheim. Kristiansand 08.06.1995. Jørn Skogheim, Frøydis Grorud, Kenneth Ekornes, Anders Aarum, Tom Frode Tveita;
Jørn Skogheim is a fine guitarist.
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keith jarrett related guitarists: Sylvain Luc, Ralph Towner, Christiaan de Jong
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Originally Posted by TruthHertz
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The answer is no, the reason why? Because guitar and piano are two different instruments.
Can a piano player play like a guitar player, no, why? for the same reason.
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Have already heard about this incredible Keith Jarrett minus the music offer:
http://www.planetcanadice.com/Skits/KJOffer.mp3 (I love KJ and the grunting doesn't bother me but it's funny nevertheless)
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Pat Metheny said Jarrett was his favorite musician. I believe Ralph Towner is about the closest thing on guitar.
McCoy Tyner style Pentatonic sequence with 5ths,...
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